Devolution For The Regions - Gtr Manchester

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If you let them out early they are tagged and put under house arrest for the rest of their time, no way they can complain about that, unless of course they were shagging the prison guard..
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Ah but this is the classic way of make sure no shit hits your fan. I remember Michael Howard when he was home secretary blaming the guy in charge of HM prisons and not accepting responsibility for overcrowding 'n rioting. I seem to recall a move to shift the interface the public had with HMG to 'agencies'. I remember getting a passport from the Passport Agency - they're back now as the Passport Office. I think we are gonna be in for as many spiffing wheezes from Sir Starmer as we had from Boris, Liz 'n Rishi! The latest to appear is the suggestion that the overcrowding in prisons is gonna be solved by letting some jailbirds out!
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Hit the nail on the head there. It’s classic arse covering.

The idea of a making a decision based on the available information, making that decision in the national rather than regional interest and sticking with it - taking responsibility for its outcome - seems a foreign concept now.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Hit the nail on the head there. It’s classic arse covering.

The idea of a making a decision based on the available information, making that decision in the national rather than regional interest and sticking with it - taking responsibility for its outcome - seems a foreign concept now.
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Do you not think those who live and work daily in the community better understand the needs of said community and are better placed than that of a remote governement making decisions on their behalf?
 
mosssideblue said:
Do you not think those who live and work daily in the community better understand the needs of said community and are better placed than that of a remote governement making decisions on their behalf?
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He’s a cap doffer who is more than happy to do as he’s told by central government as long as it’s an Eton educated Tory making the decision because clearly they know best.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
That is true but Burnham defended the scheme several times, it was also clear in his interviews that he was in charge of its geographical extent, which could have been much smaller if needed and still met the clean air obligations and he also quite obviously didn't understand the impact it would have on many small businesses. At times he looks woefully out of his depth.
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I wonder how long before Burnham jumps back on the Labour Party bandwagon now they have been elected?
 
mosssideblue said:
Do you not think those who live and work daily in the community better understand the needs of said community and are better placed than that of a remote governement making decisions on their behalf?
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I simply don’t agree that only local politicians can fully understand what matters to people in their own region, particularly when it comes to an issue such as an industrial strategy. A failure on a national level would hinder all regions, and all regions want to see higher growth and living standards, so there’s no conflict here in my opinion.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Clean Air Zones is a Tory Policy that should have been implemented across 5 major conurbations by 2020 .

Burnham , Khan etc are simply doing what they have been told...... shame the Conservatives had to weaponise their own legislation.

www.gov.uk

Clean air zone framework

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Burnham supports the CAP rather than charging, it just needs the £100m investment. Exactly the sort of thing I would expect devolution to allow him to do without having to wait a year or more for the funding.
 
west didsblue said:
Thanks but I’ll leave the bullshit to you. You seem to be a specialist in it.
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You have never run a business, but you think your an expert in it? Really?

The key word that completely passed you by was 'recession'. Our sector has been in recession for over a year and still is. In laymans terms to the likes of you, this means our company and thousands of others in our sector competing for less work at often lower rates. This is on the back of a terrible 18mths due to covid. And us paying back covid loans. Dealing with huge wage demands and a lack of skilled people.

Your statement of hey its simple, just pass the cost on to your customers showed me how little you actually understand?

I heard Burnham going on about the grants and scrapage schemes at the time. Great, 10 or 15% towards the cost of a new van. That still leaves the other 90% to find! where he does the clown think that comes from? Off trees.

This is a man who clearly doesn't understand or have to account for his actions. Unfortunately there are plenty of those types in governments past and more than likely the present one also.

I knew you or one of the other Labour fan boys would criticise my remarks. I sincerely hope the new government do a great job, I believe they will improve on the last lot. But be under no illusion, they will make mistakes, the implementaion of the huge low immision zone was dedinitely one of them. The new government won't please everyone, they don't have the magic answer to everything, and when they do make mistakes they will be criticised. You and others need to get used to it.
 
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Brewster's millions said:
I simply don’t agree that only local politicians can fully understand what matters to people in their own region, particularly when it comes to an issue such as an industrial strategy. A failure on a national level would hinder all regions, and all regions want to see higher growth and living standards, so there’s no conflict here in my opinion.
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Fair enough, but I disagree
 
Brewster's millions said:
There’s a clear risk of contradiction in allowing devolved regions, each with their own self-interest and agenda, to formulate a national strategy.

It’s blindingly obvious and it’s the job of the national government to make these decisions, not simply to palm them off around the country. The fact that the various regional decision makers have little to no commercial experience only adds to the problems.

This push towards greater devolution, from both Labour and Conservative governments over the past twenty years, has in my opinion yielded very little. Other than to produce further, needless layers of government and public expenditure and of course to keep second rate politicians like Andy Burnham in circulation.
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Again, you’re looking at this as if there is no combined plan. Quite simply, regions will come up with a comprehensive strategy, in line with current government strategy, which will then open up funds for them to put it into practice.

If outside of the main aim then will have to be looked at in exceptional circumstances.

You’ve seen how they’ve started and they’ve had plenty of time to get this into place. Let’s see if it works, unlike the absolute clusterfuck that the Tories brought.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
You have never run a business, but you think your an expert in it? Really?

The key word that completely passed you by was 'recession'. Our sector has been in recession for over a year and still is. In laymans terms to the likes of you, this means our company and thousands of others in our sector competing for less work at often lower rates. This is on the back of a terrible 18mths due to covid. And us paying back covid loans. Dealing with huge wage demands and a lack of skilled people.

Your statement of hey its simple, just pass the cost on to your customers showed me how little you actually understand?

I heard Burnham going on about the grants and scrapage schemes at the time. Great, 10 or 15% towards the cost of a new van. That still leaves the other 90% to find! where he does the clown think that comes from? Off trees.

This is a man who clearly doesn't understand or have to account for his actions. Unfortunately there are plenty of those types in governments past and more than likely the present one also.

I knew you or one of the other Labour fan boys would criticise my remarks. I sincerely hope the new government do a great job, I believe they will improve on the last lot. But be under no illusion, they will make mistakes, the implementaion of the huge low immision zone was dedinitely one of them. The new government won't please everyone, they don't have the magic answer to everything, and when they do make mistakes they will be criticised. You and others need to get used to it.
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Where did I say I was an expert in running a business? Thought you were near Stoke anyway so why are you so bothered about a clean air zone 40 miles away? Do you get as pissed off about other regulations and rules that you need to adhere to to run your business or do you save it for things that the Daily Mail tells you to be upset about.
 
BrianW said:
Britain is unusual in that it is still very much a unitary state. This very much appeals to people with a Stalinesque mentality.

I find it amazing that many people still believe the man in Whitehall knows what's best for Bacup, Cleckheaton or Aylsham. He doesn't. Very often the man in Whitehall thinks nothing beyond Watford Junction has any significance.

We have made a few tentative steps towards devolution and need to make many more. In my ideal world, the UK government would just do stuff like national funding, defence and foreign policy. But any move to devolution is fine by me. A federal constitution would be better still. But no hope of that, alas.
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If it's done properly it would kill Scottish independence stone dead.
How brilliant to have every English Region getting similar opportunities that the South East and London hoover up at present. The German model seems to work well. Why not here?
 
In 2022, London had a gross domestic product of over 508 billion British pounds, by far the most of any region of the United Kingdom. The region of South East England which surrounds London had the second-highest GDP in this year, at over 341 billion pounds.

North West England, which includes the major cities of Manchester and Liverpool, had the third-largest GDP among UK regions, at approximately 223.5 billion pounds.

Levelling Up the UKLondon’s economic dominance of the UK can clearly be seen when compared to the other regions of the country. In terms of GDP per capita, the gap between London and the rest of the country is striking, standing at 57,338 pounds per person in the UK capital, compared with just over 33,593 pounds in the rest of the country.


The imbalance is not good for the UK. Lets see if they are more successful with these plans than the useless, laughable 'Levelling Up'.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
In 2022, London had a gross domestic product of over 508 billion British pounds, by far the most of any region of the United Kingdom. The region of South East England which surrounds London had the second-highest GDP in this year, at over 341 billion pounds.

North West England, which includes the major cities of Manchester and Liverpool, had the third-largest GDP among UK regions, at approximately 223.5 billion pounds.

Levelling Up the UKLondon’s economic dominance of the UK can clearly be seen when compared to the other regions of the country. In terms of GDP per capita, the gap between London and the rest of the country is striking, standing at 57,338 pounds per person in the UK capital, compared with just over 33,593 pounds in the rest of the country.


The imbalance is not good for the UK. Lets see if they are more successful with these plans than the useless, laughable 'Levelling Up'.
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TBF it wasn’t always this way. Once upon a time Birmingham was the per capita growth engine, the city of a thousand trades as it was known, but inexplicably Labour didn’t like that so fucked it over.
 
metalblue said:
TBF it wasn’t always this way. Once upon a time Birmingham was the per capita growth engine, the city of a thousand trades as it was known, but inexplicably Labour didn’t like that so fucked it over.
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Which century are you talking about?
 
PPT said:
I wonder how long before Burnham jumps back on the Labour Party bandwagon now they have been elected?
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Eh?
He stood for mayor as the Labour Party candidate.
He doesn’t need to jump on a bandwagon that he’s already on.
 
west didsblue said:
Says the bloke who thinks that devolution of some powers means that local areas develop national strategies.
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Why are they being consulted then, and being asked to contribute to the strategy, if they have no influence?

One simple question and your whole argument falls to pieces. Utterly deluded.
 
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