Discuss Pellegrini...(cont)

[Ric]

50 Quatloos to the first moron to tell me that injuries haven't blighted our season! Come on, I feckin' dare ya!

...

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

If it's any consolation, Billy, Dave et al would've lambasted Mancini for exactly the same thing.

That's just how preposterous the whole thing has become.

 

[BobKowalski]

50 Quatloos to the first moron to tell me that injuries haven't blighted our season! Come on, I feckin' dare ya!

...

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Let's take this slowly. Are you ready?

Aguero needs games to get to full fitness and is been given the game time accordingly. Was removed after an hour as expected, sharpness clearly returning.

Silva missed the last game and that cost us two points. This game he was singlehandedly running and looking totally comfortable until an incident nobody could have predicted happened.

I'm going to hazard a guess here. You have never played 90 minutes of football in your life, or attended a game. In the words in Gerrie Nel, am I right?

Just caught up with Monday Night footie was interested to see what G Nev had to say on the ManU situation. Oddly he was in denial demanding the club issued a clarification blithely ignoring the fact that ManU publicly executed Moyes at 2:00 pm GMT this afternoon.

But I digress. G Nev seemed to think that we hadn't handled Sergio's injury particularly well. He also wondered if it would not have been better to have subbed Sergio at HT or the 55 minute mark. On this latter point I agree with him. G Nev I believe has attended the odd game and may even have played at a reasonable level but I am sure like myself he would be grateful for you sage advice. You can find him on twitter at @GNev2 so why not hit him up and have a fucking chat.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:26 am --<br /><br />

50 Quatloos to the first moron to tell me that injuries haven't blighted our season! Come on, I feckin' dare ya!

...

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

If it's any consolation, Billy, Dave et al would've lambasted Mancini for exactly the same thing.

That's just how preposterous the whole thing has become.

Hindsight is a wondeful thing but I really don't see the point of keeping on a key player who is struggling with a pre existing injury when you can just take him off and close the game out.

But I'll take the hint and shut the fuck up.

 

[Marvin]

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Let's take this slowly. Are you ready?

Aguero needs games to get to full fitness and is been given the game time accordingly. Was removed after an hour as expected, sharpness clearly returning.

Silva missed the last game and that cost us two points. This game he was singlehandedly running and looking totally comfortable until an incident nobody could have predicted happened.

I'm going to hazard a guess here. You have never played 90 minutes of football in your life, or attended a game. In the words in Gerrie Nel, am I right?

Just caught up with Monday Night footie was interested to see what G Nev had to say on the ManU situation. Oddly he was in denial demanding the club issued a clarification blithely ignoring the fact that ManU publicly executed Moyes at 2:00 pm GMT this afternoon.

But I digress. G Nev seemed to think that we hadn't handled Sergio's injury particularly well. He also wondered if it would not have been better to have subbed Sergio at HT or the 55 minute mark. On this latter point I agree with him. G Nev I believe has attended the odd game and may even have played at a reasonable level but I am sure like myself he would be grateful for you sage advice. You can find him on twitter at @GNev2 so why not hit him up and have a fucking chat.

But Aguero is fit, and just needs game time.

Silva could have come off. I'm sure Pellegrini was considering it when it happened

 

[Ric]

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Let's take this slowly. Are you ready?

Aguero needs games to get to full fitness and is been given the game time accordingly. Was removed after an hour as expected, sharpness clearly returning.

Silva missed the last game and that cost us two points. This game he was singlehandedly running and looking totally comfortable until an incident nobody could have predicted happened.

I'm going to hazard a guess here. You have never played 90 minutes of football in your life, or attended a game. In the words in Gerrie Nel, am I right?

Just caught up with Monday Night footie was interested to see what G Nev had to say on the ManU situation. Oddly he was in denial demanding the club issued a clarification blithely ignoring the fact that ManU publicly executed Moyes at 2:00 pm GMT this afternoon.

But I digress. G Nev seemed to think that we hadn't handled Sergio's injury particularly well. He also wondered if it would not have been better to have subbed Sergio at HT or the 55 minute mark. On this latter point I agree with him. G Nev I believe has attended the odd game and may even have played at a reasonable level but I am sure like myself he would be grateful for you sage advice. You can find him on twitter at @GNev2 so why not hit him up and have a fucking chat.

-- Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:26 am --

I'll take that bet. Siva was excellent tonight. 3-1 up at HT. Good day at the office. We are nursing two key players. So what do you do at HT? You sub one of these key players. You sub your other key player around 10 minutes into the second half when you have had chance to assess how its going. You want to know how it was going? WBA had settled for a 3-1 loss. We already know Sliva cannot train and can at best manage only one game a week. We have 4 other games after this which if we win give us a decent shout at the title. So riddle me this. Why the fuck are both these two half fit key players still on the pitch after the 60 minute mark? Where we under pressure? In danger of losing the game? Did I miss something? The game was over. It had joined the great green pitch in the sky. It had relinquished all life, expired, deceased, kicked the bucket. But no what do we get? Sergio limping off (just in time) and Silva in a crumpled heap waving his arm in the air in distress.

Injuries may have blighted out chances this season. They may indeed be the sole reason why we don't win the title. But when some of those injuries can be avoided through plain common sense I tend to lose all reason, hope and faith.

I will feel better in the morning but right now I am tad pissed off.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

If it's any consolation, Billy, Dave et al would've lambasted Mancini for exactly the same thing.

That's just how preposterous the whole thing has become.

Hindsight is a wondeful thing but I really don't see the point of keeping on a key player who is struggling with a pre existing injury when you can just take him off and close the game out.

But I'll take the hint and shut the fuck up.

No need to "shut the fuck up", as you put it. I just meant to highlight the absurdity that every scenario or decision is seized upon by either side of this particular argument to vindicate their stance.

 

[Dribble]

Hindsight is a wondeful thing but I really don't see the point of keeping on a key player who is struggling with a pre existing injury when you can just take him off and close the game out.

100% this....

Considering how this season's injuries are now considered by certain elements as the reason that we haven't maximised this season's potential, it would have been the prudent thing to do to take Silva and Aguero off at the earliest opportunity.

I was gutted when they both emerged for the 2nd half and was counting the 18 minutes second by second until Kun was substituted. We had Jovetic and Milner on the bench so weren't short of cover either. I know Kun needs match fitness, but at this stage of the season we need to be careful with him and for me Silva had completed his nights work in the 1st 45.

I was also hoping for Zabaleta to come off too, because his levels have dropped recently with good cause. Pellegrini needs to make wholesale changes to the squad during the summer if he doesn't have faith in the 2nd string, because recently a lot of our 1st choice players look like they're running on empty.

I've always held the view that even the very best and fittest players can only play a maximum of 30-35 top level games per season including internationals (which is why I can't stand them) where they can give their very best and its on this basis that I'd sign players. If I were a player and was told at the time of signing that I'd only be expected to play those amount of matches per season which is essentially 1 match per week, I'd snatch my new club's hands off.

Just imagine as a player being told 'You'll play alternate matches and get adequate rest in between on the assurance that when selected, you leave everything you've got on the pitch'. That's how we should be treating our most prized assests and not grinding them into the ground whether through circumstance or not.

 

[cleavers]

Considering how this season's injuries are now considered by certain elements as the reason that we haven't maximised this season's potential, it would have been the prudent thing to do to take Silva and Aguero off at the earliest opportunity.

I was gutted when they both emerged for the 2nd half and was counting the 18 minutes second by second until Kun was substituted. We had Jovetic and Milner on the bench so weren't short of cover either. I know Kun needs match fitness, but at this stage of the season we need to be careful with him and for me Silva had completed his nights work in the 1st 45.

I was also hoping for Zabaleta to come off too, because his levels have dropped recently with good cause.

What bollocks, you and me both know that if he'd taken them both off at half time tonight, and we'd finished the game 3-3, you'd have been on this thread asking what the fuck was he doing, and telling us that he needs to go.

He managed Aguero perfectly tonight, he'd played well, looked really sharp, but was beginning to tire, so he took him off, right on cue. Silva's problem was unforeseen, and unfortunate, but he looked fine until that point, to blame anyone for that is ridiculous.

As for Zab, are you the fool who sits behind me who was going on all night about why Richards wasn't being used ? He's not being used quite simply because he can't stay fit, and then can't be trusted in the style we play if used. Zab's problem in the last 2 games has been Nasri trying to avoid any responsibility in our half of the pitch, he was at his worst in the second half tonight, giving absolutely no protection to Zab, and rarely providing any outlet when we got the ball.

Nasri has been very good most of this season, but recently he's reverted to the one who I would have happily seen leave last summer, I hope its temporary, because the Nasri from earlier this season was a real asset.

 

[mancity1]

Silva's injury was unfortunate and couldn't be predicted in advance for it had been I am sure he would have been taken off.

He probably wasn't going to play on Sunday anyway and the ankle injury he is nursing flared up with the constant attention it was getting from the opposition.

I have a suspicion he will be ok for the Everton game but we shall see.

 

[taconinja]

Considering how this season's injuries are now considered by certain elements as the reason that we haven't maximised this season's potential, it would have been the prudent thing to do to take Silva and Aguero off at the earliest opportunity.

I was gutted when they both emerged for the 2nd half and was counting the 18 minutes second by second until Kun was substituted. We had Jovetic and Milner on the bench so weren't short of cover either. I know Kun needs match fitness, but at this stage of the season we need to be careful with him and for me Silva had completed his nights work in the 1st 45.

I was also hoping for Zabaleta to come off too, because his levels have dropped recently with good cause.

What bollocks, you and me both know that if he'd taken them both off at half time tonight, and we'd finished the game 3-3, you'd have been on this thread asking what the fuck was he doing, and telling us that he needs to go.

He managed Aguero perfectly tonight, he'd played well, looked really sharp, but was beginning to tire, so he took him off, right on cue. Silva's problem was unforeseen, and unfortunate, but he looked fine until that point, to blame anyone for that is ridiculous.

As for Zab, are you the fool who sits behind me who was going on all night about why Richards wasn't being used ? He's not being used quite simply because he can't stay fit, and then can't be trusted in the style we play if used. Zab's problem in the last 2 games has been Nasri trying to avoid any responsibility in our half of the pitch, he was at his worst in the second half tonight, giving absolutely no protection to Zab, and rarely providing any outlet when we got the ball.

Nasri has been very good most of this season, but recently he's reverted to the one who I would have happily seen leave last summer, I hope its temporary, because the Nasri from earlier this season was a real asset.

I think you're being too harsh on Nasri and far too lenient on Zabaleta in regards to this game. The number of passes Zabeleta left too short for Fernandinho and others is inexcusable really, and frankly I think he would agree. It wasn't his best game.

 

[citymad]

Let's take this slowly. Are you ready?

Aguero needs games to get to full fitness and is been given the game time accordingly. Was removed after an hour as expected, sharpness clearly returning.

Silva missed the last game and that cost us two points. This game he was singlehandedly running and looking totally comfortable until an incident nobody could have predicted happened.

I'm going to hazard a guess here. You have never played 90 minutes of football in your life, or attended a game. In the words in Gerrie Nel, am I right?

Just caught up with Monday Night footie was interested to see what G Nev had to say on the ManU situation. Oddly he was in denial demanding the club issued a clarification blithely ignoring the fact that ManU publicly executed Moyes at 2:00 pm GMT this afternoon.

But I digress. G Nev seemed to think that we hadn't handled Sergio's injury particularly well. He also wondered if it would not have been better to have subbed Sergio at HT or the 55 minute mark. On this latter point I agree with him. G Nev I believe has attended the odd game and may even have played at a reasonable level but I am sure like myself he would be grateful for you sage advice. You can find him on twitter at @GNev2 so why not hit him up and have a fucking chat.

But Aguero is fit, and just needs game time.

Silva could have come off. I'm sure Pellegrini was considering it when it happened

I don't know what game you were watching but I thought west brom were a tad unlucky not get something in the second half.they had one or two decent chances. It wasn't done and dusted and we all know what happened when silva went off anyway, we looked a little nervy.

 

[Bill]

although I have criticized pellers for his team selection and use of subs I don't think he did much wrong tonight. he started with just about the best 11 he could, I would have had kolorov in over clichy but its a close call. he had to start the second half with the same players, west brom would have been given a half time talking to and could have come out all guns blazing. as the half was as flat as a pancake he took aguero off and about the right time. silva could have perhaps done with 10 more mins but to be fair he could have done that injury in the first minute. its ok saying take these players off at half time but the lads want to play, if they are removed early every game they will be off. pellers got it right this time.