Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[coleridge]

A Blue has just txt me to have a look online at Jamie Carraghers column in the Mail this morning, he asks the question ''would City fans have Mancini back''
Hes suggesting that we are going slightly backwards under Pellers and that he will never be as popular as Roberto.
Now i was a big Mancini fan but its about time we moved on now and we could do without retired average Scouse footballers sticking their noses in

Pretty sure they had similar ones about Mancini and Lesley not that long ago and that worked out alright for us. Add Carragher to the list of pundits we can laugh at when celebrating silverware later in the year.

Next year, mate. We'd do well to win anything by December, but otherwise I agree with the sentiments and what OB1 says, of course.

 

[OB1]

Costel is largely unproven against opposition of any real quality. I wonder if Pelle would have picked him over Hart if we were playing Arsenal or Liverpool today ?

Mancini picked him v Chelsea in the FA Cup Semi at Wembley.

Of course OB1 and he did well enough that day. That's why I said largely though, in that he has had little time against quality opposition. If we had been playing a title contender today then dropping Hart would have been a bigger decision I reckon, that's all I was saying. Maybe Costel will still be in the net when we play Spurs in a few weeks but I don't see it myself.

Fair enough. Costel is largely unproven in a City shirt;-)

Pellegrini had a big decision to make here whichever way it has gone. A totally unenviable one but that's what he gets the big bucks for. MP doesn't have a crystal ball, none of us do, but if Hart plays today and makes any sort of error, MP will get an awful lot of stick because he allowed a malfunctioning keeper to retain his place. If Costel messes up, Pellegrini can, IMO, be more easily excused for trying something new.

What I did like at the end of MP's press conference yesterday was the very firm way that he made it clear that who plays in goal is his decision. Good to see him taking responsibility upfront but it was the way he said it; just a small thing but it had a ring of iron fist in a velvet glove to me.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

MP has given us the best performance by City in nearly two years when beating United 4:1. We ere the better team in each of our defeats and it was player mistakes that cost us. Kun and Negrado are very exciting prospect. Silva and Nasri back on form. Yaya and Fernandihno clicking. The one area MP has not changed is defence and GKP. This is where the problems now stem from. Nasty has gone backwards as has Gael and Hart.
Can MP be held totally responsible for underperformance and injury in this key area?

The players he needs to play the style he requires are not available to him. He has needed to put the defence through thier paces to see if they can adapt. Even Zabba has been found wanting.

Joe Hart is not a good decision maker of when to come out or not come out of the box. Our higher line needs this to be spot on. The GKP role now needs to double as a sweeper at times. He is not yet that man. Not sure Pants is either.

We will see a more definitive MP based side when this is sorted. Vincent and Demichelis will be a start in the short term. It may not gel in time for this season but expect a strong finish to the season. I for one am excited by the prospect.

 

[mancity1]

Like most selection choices too much is being made about whether Hart gets dropped or stays.

The fact he is currently England's first choice is irrelevant to whether his form deserves he starts or otherwise.

He has made a number of critical errors this season that has cost us points and in the case of Chelsea given them a buffer of three extra points that we have to claw back.

Whether that means he should start against Norwich is a matter for MP and his support staff to decide upon.

No player should be immune to spending time on the sidelines if form and team balance don't dictate it.

It's a decision every manager has to make every time he sends a team out to play and its no big deal.

Hughton has to decide whether he plays two of his biggest playmakers in Snodgrass that was knocked out last game ( which here in the AFL means an automatic one match ban at least from playing ) and risk further damage to Redmonds hip who has the ability to give our back four problems.

Other than VK , Jovetic and Garcia ( who would have been on the bench at best today anyway ) MP has to pick the best eleven he can that will give us the best chance of victory in his mind at least today and whether that includes Hart or not is his choice in the end and he will not care one dot if the press have a go at him for it irrespective of the result of today's game.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I'd support Pellegrini's decision either way. Stick with him and hope he regains confidence from the faith shown, or drop him because Pantilimon deserves a go. Both can be justified. I can remember watching an interview with Peter Schmeichel one time and he said that dropping a keeper is the worst thing you can do in his mind and made a compelling case for a keeper's confidence being a unique thing in the football world due to the psychology of the keeper's position and how their responsibility differs from the team responsibility of outfield positions. I couldn't quote his arguments with surety but I can remember being convinced by it. On the other hand, I've seen instances of keepers thriving on competition and bouncing back after some time off...

I've never been convinced by anything that **** has said.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:00 pm --<br /><br />

Football at this level being what it is this decision could result in Joe losing his England place for good as well as his automatic first team spot for us - a high price for a few mistakes . Ask Casillas. Could be equally costly for Manuel when the reckoning comes.

This is exactly what should make JH pull his finger out properly from now on. The risk of losing his World Cup place.

MP has called it right.

 

[mancity1]

I'd support Pellegrini's decision either way. Stick with him and hope he regains confidence from the faith shown, or drop him because Pantilimon deserves a go. Both can be justified. I can remember watching an interview with Peter Schmeichel one time and he said that dropping a keeper is the worst thing you can do in his mind and made a compelling case for a keeper's confidence being a unique thing in the football world due to the psychology of the keeper's position and how their responsibility differs from the team responsibility of outfield positions. I couldn't quote his arguments with surety but I can remember being convinced by it. On the other hand, I've seen instances of keepers thriving on competition and bouncing back after some time off...

I've never been convinced by anything that **** has said.

Dropping anyone would be a kick in the guts for anybody who knows and the manager knows deserves his place in the best eleven given their past performances.

If Hart doesn't start tonight it is a good wake up call for him that nobody is guaranteed a permanent spot in the side.

People of character work through this and come out of it much better for it both as a professional and a person.

 

[Stoned Rose]

If in fact Pellers does drop Joe then it sends a huge message to the whole squad that he has no favourites and everyone has to do the business if they want to keep their place. It won't do Joe any harm harm to step out of the limelight for a few games and it will give the manager huge respect in the eyes of the rest of the squad in my opinion.

Exactly. Man up or fuck off.

 

[cibaman]

I'd support Pellegrini's decision either way. Stick with him and hope he regains confidence from the faith shown, or drop him because Pantilimon deserves a go. Both can be justified. I can remember watching an interview with Peter Schmeichel one time and he said that dropping a keeper is the worst thing you can do in his mind and made a compelling case for a keeper's confidence being a unique thing in the football world due to the psychology of the keeper's position and how their responsibility differs from the team responsibility of outfield positions. I couldn't quote his arguments with surety but I can remember being convinced by it. On the other hand, I've seen instances of keepers thriving on competition and bouncing back after some time off...

I've never been convinced by anything that **** has said.

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:00 pm --

Football at this level being what it is this decision could result in Joe losing his England place for good as well as his automatic first team spot for us - a high price for a few mistakes . Ask Casillas. Could be equally costly for Manuel when the reckoning comes.

This is exactly what should make JH pull his finger out properly from now on. The risk of losing his World Cup place.

MP has called it right.

Pull his finger out how exactly? He's been making mistakes, cant argue about being dropped, but I haven't read anything to suggest he hasn't been training hard or that there's anything wrong with his attitude.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I'd support Pellegrini's decision either way. Stick with him and hope he regains confidence from the faith shown, or drop him because Pantilimon deserves a go. Both can be justified. I can remember watching an interview with Peter Schmeichel one time and he said that dropping a keeper is the worst thing you can do in his mind and made a compelling case for a keeper's confidence being a unique thing in the football world due to the psychology of the keeper's position and how their responsibility differs from the team responsibility of outfield positions. I couldn't quote his arguments with surety but I can remember being convinced by it. On the other hand, I've seen instances of keepers thriving on competition and bouncing back after some time off...

I've never been convinced by anything that **** has said.

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:00 pm --

Football at this level being what it is this decision could result in Joe losing his England place for good as well as his automatic first team spot for us - a high price for a few mistakes . Ask Casillas. Could be equally costly for Manuel when the reckoning comes.

This is exactly what should make JH pull his finger out properly from now on. The risk of losing his World Cup place.

MP has called it right.

Pull his finger out how exactly? He's been making mistakes, cant argue about being dropped, but I haven't read anything to suggest he hasn't been training hard or that there's anything wrong with his attitude.

Goalkeepers are expected to stop goals. JH hasn't been doing that. Therefore he needs to pull his finger out and start doing so. Where have you got 'training' from from my post??!!

 

[cibaman]

I've never been convinced by anything that **** has said.

-- Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:00 pm --



This is exactly what should make JH pull his finger out properly from now on. The risk of losing his World Cup place.

MP has called it right.

Pull his finger out how exactly? He's been making mistakes, cant argue about being dropped, but I haven't read anything to suggest he hasn't been training hard or that there's anything wrong with his attitude.

Goalkeepers are expected to stop goals. JH hasn't been doing that. Therefore he needs to pull his finger out and start doing so. Where have you got 'training' from from my post??!!

As far as I know the term "pull his finger out" is normally used about someone who isn't working hard enough.