Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[Jumanji]

Reading a lot of talk that Pellegrini doesn't understand the PL but no mentions of what it is exactly he doesn't understand.............

The football here is just sooo unique............

No reply? They still haven't told us yet, even though some of the posters that said it are still online. ;-)

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

You can make whatever comparisons you like, he's the manager we've got. He made some selections errors today which he either learns from or he doesn't. but his tactics didn't lose us the match.

I can understand the anger because we lost a game shouldn't have. Not sure what else I can say. I believe in the manager and the team, but I can see there are people who don't. Lets see what the league looks like at the end of December.

I can't see him being here too much longer tbh. Your man is on a tightrope and if the fans are less than impressed then imagine what the owner is thinking

He's our manager, and if we're going to make final judgements after 11 games then that would be really daft.

The away league form is appalling. Sometimes these things get a momentum of their own. I'm sure we'll deal with it.

You need a strong defence away from home, and we've changed keeper, then lost, Kompany and Demichelis, then when Demichelis has come back Nastasic has got injured. Those are big problems for a manager

I agree Marvin but do you not find it completely baffling when we have no game in the week coming that having been forced to make 3 changes through injury, he then feels it necessary to change both full backs meaning that 3 out of the four players at the back are changed?

Taking all other aspects of the game out of the equation, that decision alone is one that makes me think we haven't got the right man in.

 

[Danamy]

Oh right ... so at 3 points behind Arsenal we have serious title aspiration but at 6 points behind after an away game we don't?

I'm definitely worried about the away form, but I've got faith in Pellegrini and the players to sort it. Being 6 points behind isn't the end of the world at this point in the season.

Billy genuine question can you outline for me just what your hanging your faith on with him to get the away form right and how he's going to go about it? 4pts out of 18 and today showed me he's learnt absolutely sweet FA from the previous five league games including the one solitary win. I looked at him sat on the bench with his head down and he looked absolutely clueless, indeed if it was Moyes there'd be a 50 page thread by now laughing at him. If it was Hughes we'd be saying he hasn't got a clue tactically - Obviously - and if it was Mancini we'd be sat hear now saying it's clear for all to see he's lost the dressing room. It's damn easy to tag on throwaway lines that fit the right manager and if enough people say it then it becomes fact.

One away defeat to Cardiff in their first home game well it would be understandable, Stoke well we never win there and so it was a point gained, Villa we eased the pain with they only three shots and sored three lucky goals it wont happen again and we put it down to individual errors that will be ironed out on the training pitch whilst Chelsea saw Joe Hart becoming the fall guy. All very true and easily explained away until today when all the above was played out in those 90mins. The new manager understandably gets his win, individual errors cost us the goal, they probably only had one shot and scored one goal and Garcia is this weeks fall guy.

It's all too predictable from MP he didn't do anything that I thought was off the cuff, unpredictable and might catch the opposition off guard. We were slow and narrow and pedestrian like in the first 45mins when we should have been stretching them whilst the second half from the outset they put eleven men behind the ball and we had no idea how to fathom our way through it. Time after time just throwing poor quality crosses into the box. It was so reminiscent of the last minute winner they got there in our title winning season where we continually hit a brick wall. Watching MP on the bench, head down I genuinely thought if this was three years down the line we'd be saying he's got to go as he looked a beaten man. He didn't fill me with any confidence one bit, he didn't at any point make me feel like he could change today's game it's a genuine concern that needs addressing immediately.

Excellent post and it sums up the feeling of a lot of fans on here.
However I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply to your post...

Not really

He said we never win at Stoke so it was a point gained, so going by that today was expected with us never winning at Sunderland, it's not that bad at all then eh? ;-)

 

[dave bacuzzi]

Stop the rot!

Losing Mancini is like finishing with a girl you really feel comfortable with, for a more beautiful girl but you don't click with. I'm sure we've
all been there? The new situation with Pellegrini has never been quite right. Of course the Euro situation is looking good, but it is at the
detriment of our league form. Winning at home and losing away is what we he have always been brought up on. But in these modern times
and I don't have to explain regarding finance etc, we should be top of the league or near too at this moment. Right! Here is how we put things right!
Who sings for Pellegrini on match day? He is out of his league here. Anyone who says bring back Mancini I'm not going to argue with but what I would suggest is break the bank for Klinsmann. We need a lift in spirits, the way we play at home (with Silva) is absolutely brilliant. But today it is lt's like waiting for obvious to happen. Get shut of Soriano and Begiristain I don't think they really care. The balance of pure football and the English attitude
has to be addressed and you don't need major intelligence to realise that if you get the right man in charge the rest will follow, its all about instinct and my instinct tells me that "This aint right". Klinsmann tomorrow please

 

[hilts]

Not in any particular order, our form/negative results are:

Pellers fault
Dzekos fault
Harts fault
Gracias fault
Kolorovs fault
Nastys fault
Yayas fault
Mancinis fault
Refs fault

Maybe our squad just isn't as strong as most think it is.

Just a thought............

you forgot the two spanish guys, milner,rodwell,clichy,nasri,the media and the tea lady

although in fairness the tea lady is pretty shit, not a patch on the previous one, never leaves the bag in long enough, friendly though

What about the kit man though?
If he's not happy then the manager is fucked!

I did notice our shorts were looking a bit grey today, i pray he hasn't lost faith, if they are pink next game the boss may as well not bother coming back

 

[TGR]

Billy genuine question can you outline for me just what your hanging your faith on with him to get the away form right and how he's going to go about it? 4pts out of 18 and today showed me he's learnt absolutely sweet FA from the previous five league games including the one solitary win. I looked at him sat on the bench with his head down and he looked absolutely clueless, indeed if it was Moyes there'd be a 50 page thread by now laughing at him. If it was Hughes we'd be saying he hasn't got a clue tactically - Obviously - and if it was Mancini we'd be sat hear now saying it's clear for all to see he's lost the dressing room. It's damn easy to tag on throwaway lines that fit the right manager and if enough people say it then it becomes fact.

One away defeat to Cardiff in their first home game well it would be understandable, Stoke well we never win there and so it was a point gained, Villa we eased the pain with they only three shots and sored three lucky goals it wont happen again and we put it down to individual errors that will be ironed out on the training pitch whilst Chelsea saw Joe Hart becoming the fall guy. All very true and easily explained away until today when all the above was played out in those 90mins. The new manager understandably gets his win, individual errors cost us the goal, they probably only had one shot and scored one goal and Garcia is this weeks fall guy.

It's all too predictable from MP he didn't do anything that I thought was off the cuff, unpredictable and might catch the opposition off guard. We were slow and narrow and pedestrian like in the first 45mins when we should have been stretching them whilst the second half from the outset they put eleven men behind the ball and we had no idea how to fathom our way through it. Time after time just throwing poor quality crosses into the box. It was so reminiscent of the last minute winner they got there in our title winning season where we continually hit a brick wall. Watching MP on the bench, head down I genuinely thought if this was three years down the line we'd be saying he's got to go as he looked a beaten man. He didn't fill me with any confidence one bit, he didn't at any point make me feel like he could change today's game it's a genuine concern that needs addressing immediately.

Excellent post and it sums up the feeling of a lot of fans on here.
However I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply to your post...

That's because it's a stupid question

There's not an exact science to winning a game, and it depends on your team imposing their game on the opposition

Don't think anyone can disagree with the manager's own summary

“I really can’t believe we lost this match,” said the City boss.

“Sunderland have won the match with just one chance in the whole 90 minutes while we have several opportunities to score and maybe at least take a point but we didn’t do it - this can happen sometimes in football.

“When you fall behind you are always chasing the game and the clock is against you and it becomes more difficult as time goes on and maybe you start to rush your passes trying to find a way back into the game.

Pellegrini refused to blame the referee for the loss, despite Bardsley appearing to foul James Milner in the build-up to the goal.

He said: “It doesn’t matter whether it was a foul or not because the referee decides what is a foul and what isn’t – he decided it wasn’t and that’s all that counts.

“I don’t like to blame defeats on moments like that – I think we deserved to win and we also deserved to win the other games we’ve lost this season away but the fact is we didn’t and that’s what worries me.

“The Premier League is very close and there are six or seven teams trying to win the title and there are lots of games to play – we are playing well away from home but perhaps we just need a little bit more luck

Far from a stupid question.
Or is it the questions that point out a few home truths are just 'stupid' Marvin?

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Billy genuine question can you outline for me just what your hanging your faith on with him to get the away form right and how he's going to go about it? 4pts out of 18 and today showed me he's learnt absolutely sweet FA from the previous five league games including the one solitary win. I looked at him sat on the bench with his head down and he looked absolutely clueless, indeed if it was Moyes there'd be a 50 page thread by now laughing at him. If it was Hughes we'd be saying he hasn't got a clue tactically - Obviously - and if it was Mancini we'd be sat hear now saying it's clear for all to see he's lost the dressing room. It's damn easy to tag on throwaway lines that fit the right manager and if enough people say it then it becomes fact.

One away defeat to Cardiff in their first home game well it would be understandable, Stoke well we never win there and so it was a point gained, Villa we eased the pain with three shots and three goals it wont happen again and put it down to individual errors that will be ironed out on the training pitch whilst Chelsea saw Joe Hart becoming the fall guy. All very true and easily explained away until today when all the above was played out in those 90mins. New manager understandably gets his win, individual errors cost us the goal, they probably only had one shot and scored one goal and Garcia is this weeks fall guy.

It's all too predictable he didn't do anything that I thought was off the cuff, unpredictable and might catch the opposition off guard. We were slow and narrow and pedestrian like in the first 45mins when we should have been stretching them whilst the second half when from the outset they put eleven men behind the ball we had no idea how to fathom our way through it. Time after time just throwing poor quality crosses into the box. It was so reminiscent of the last minute winner they got there in our title winning season where we continually hit a brick wall. Watching MP on the bench, head down I genuinely thought if this was three years down the line we'd be saying he's got to go as he looked a beaten man. He didn't fill me with any confidence one bit, he didn't at any point make me feel like he could change today's game it's a genuine concern that needs addressing immediately.

So what now? Do we start a Pellegrini Out movement in November? I dunno Josh. Within the context of the league as a whole, this reaction feels very knee jerk to me. I like the way we play football. We lacked imagination because Pellegrini got his team selection wrong. It happens.

Why should he be any different to Mancini ;-) Bloody preferential treatment.

 

[franksinatra]

Billy genuine question can you outline for me just what your hanging your faith on with him to get the away form right and how he's going to go about it? 4pts out of 18 and today showed me he's learnt absolutely sweet FA from the previous five league games including the one solitary win. I looked at him sat on the bench with his head down and he looked absolutely clueless, indeed if it was Moyes there'd be a 50 page thread by now laughing at him. If it was Hughes we'd be saying he hasn't got a clue tactically - Obviously - and if it was Mancini we'd be sat hear now saying it's clear for all to see he's lost the dressing room. It's damn easy to tag on throwaway lines that fit the right manager and if enough people say it then it becomes fact.

One away defeat to Cardiff in their first home game well it would be understandable, Stoke well we never win there and so it was a point gained, Villa we eased the pain with three shots and three goals it wont happen again and put it down to individual errors that will be ironed out on the training pitch whilst Chelsea saw Joe Hart becoming the fall guy. All very true and easily explained away until today when all the above was played out in those 90mins. New manager understandably gets his win, individual errors cost us the goal, they probably only had one shot and scored one goal and Garcia is this weeks fall guy.

It's all too predictable he didn't do anything that I thought was off the cuff, unpredictable and might catch the opposition off guard. We were slow and narrow and pedestrian like in the first 45mins when we should have been stretching them whilst the second half when from the outset they put eleven men behind the ball we had no idea how to fathom our way through it. Time after time just throwing poor quality crosses into the box. It was so reminiscent of the last minute winner they got there in our title winning season where we continually hit a brick wall. Watching MP on the bench, head down I genuinely thought if this was three years down the line we'd be saying he's got to go as he looked a beaten man. He didn't fill me with any confidence one bit, he didn't at any point make me feel like he could change today's game it's a genuine concern that needs addressing immediately.

So what now? Do we start a Pellegrini Out movement in November?

I dunno Josh. Within the context of the league as a whole, this reaction feels very knee jerk to me. I like the way we play football. We lacked imagination because Pellegrini got his team selection wrong. It happens.

Sacking Pellegrini would be the wrong step like sacking Mancini was at the time. I do wonder how much knowledge he has of the league and the players he has inherited though. The team continually changes with no definitive starting eleven as yet. We started with Navas, Nasri and now Milner is starting. Similarly in defence we have flirted with Nasty and Lescott, Garcia has come in and now Demichelis is a regular. Upfront Dzeko was first choice and now Negredo. I accept rotation and injuries have played a part but I cannot help feeling he does not know his best side yet.

 

[dancity19]

Pellegrini inherited a team that was having problems away from home. He has a mental problem in his players that he has to find a solution to.

The £90m people keep referring to was to replace Tevez, Balotelli, Barry, Kolo and Sinclair.

"Pellegrini inherited a team that was having problems away from home" and has made us worse !

What was worse about today's 1-0 defeat to Sunderland, to a goal that shoudn't have stood, to the three 1-0 defeats under Mancini?

Nothing is worse. I never said that. But equally nothing is better, nothing is different. As said earlier, I feel he will get it right, and the football we are playing at times is breathtaking. He has all of our forward players playing to the best of their abilities. But you affording him excuses, that you wouldn't have made for Mancini, and in fact slammed others for using, such as "a goal that shouldn't have stood" is a bit embarrassing. Again, I am a fan of his, but we need to judge him as we did Mancini.

There is a worrying trend with our away games, and the trend needs to be bucked. We are playingn well enough, but we are losing. Fortunately for us, results largely went our way this weekend.

 

[bobmcfc]

Billy genuine question can you outline for me just what your hanging your faith on with him to get the away form right and how he's going to go about it? 4pts out of 18 and today showed me he's learnt absolutely sweet FA from the previous five league games including the one solitary win. I looked at him sat on the bench with his head down and he looked absolutely clueless, indeed if it was Moyes there'd be a 50 page thread by now laughing at him. If it was Hughes we'd be saying he hasn't got a clue tactically - Obviously - and if it was Mancini we'd be sat hear now saying it's clear for all to see he's lost the dressing room. It's damn easy to tag on throwaway lines that fit the right manager and if enough people say it then it becomes fact.

One away defeat to Cardiff in their first home game well it would be understandable, Stoke well we never win there and so it was a point gained, Villa we eased the pain with they only three shots and sored three lucky goals it wont happen again and we put it down to individual errors that will be ironed out on the training pitch whilst Chelsea saw Joe Hart becoming the fall guy. All very true and easily explained away until today when all the above was played out in those 90mins. The new manager understandably gets his win, individual errors cost us the goal, they probably only had one shot and scored one goal and Garcia is this weeks fall guy.

It's all too predictable from MP he didn't do anything that I thought was off the cuff, unpredictable and might catch the opposition off guard. We were slow and narrow and pedestrian like in the first 45mins when we should have been stretching them whilst the second half from the outset they put eleven men behind the ball and we had no idea how to fathom our way through it. Time after time just throwing poor quality crosses into the box. It was so reminiscent of the last minute winner they got there in our title winning season where we continually hit a brick wall. Watching MP on the bench, head down I genuinely thought if this was three years down the line we'd be saying he's got to go as he looked a beaten man. He didn't fill me with any confidence one bit, he didn't at any point make me feel like he could change today's game it's a genuine concern that needs addressing immediately.

Excellent post and it sums up the feeling of a lot of fans on here.
However I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply to your post...

Not really

He said we never win at Stoke so it was a point gained, so going by that today was expected with us never winning at Sunderland, it's not that bad at all then eh? ;-)

Yes but isn't that the reason we got rid of "he who shall not be named" ?