Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[cleavers]

Diego Simeone at Atletico Madrid would be my choice followed by Laudrup

Is that the Laudrup that has taken Swansea into the bottom half ?

 

[Palerider]

Pellegrini has certainly not been brilliant so far. However we are still in 4 competitions and despite our obvious weaknesses still favourites for the title. My idea of a good manager is someone who signs better players and makes the "team" better than the sum of those individuals. That obviously becomes harder the higher up the summit you climb. It's a long time since I've thought we had a good manager and Pellegrini has yet to convince me that he's the one. I thought Keegan, Sven, Hughes and Mancini all did reasonably well but none of them improved the side beyond the money spent and if I'm honest I think all of them were average with Mancini the best of the bunch. One thing I will say though is that of all the teams fighting for the title we probably have the most potential improvement to come once injuries and poor defensive form have settled.

 

[ballinio]

Re: Clueless manager

I think Pellegrini is more of a pushover than being tactically inept.

If we played like that today under Mancini. Bobby would be going f*cking beserk on the touchline and then later call out the culprits in a press conference to the entire world. Khaldoon and the board are now in no position to complain, they wanted a boss to get on well with the players... and there seems to be a pattern with everywhere Pellegrini goes. A well respected manager where no one has a bad word to say about him. Sounds very Hughes/Redknapp like... you know why players kiss their ass? Because they're all pushovers who won't call out their own players when they turn in half-arsed performances.

Look at the long list of enemies Ferguson made, you only have to look at the extracts from his book to get an idea of what he was like, almost a dictator at Yoonited... bullied his way around the rags for over a decade, yet it got the results. And Mancini adopted the same philosophy, not here to make friends, but get results. And before last season even kicked off, he was undermined by the board and they had gone with players before the manager. The transfer window was a good indication of what was to come...

Aguero, Nasri, Clichy, Boateng, Silva, Toure, Kolarov, Milner, Balotelli, Dzeko etc. ambitious transfer targets in comparison to the 2012/13 season of:


Garcia, Maicon, Sinclair, Rodwell.

It's no secret, the best managers in football history make enemies, not friends. Tevez and Mancini, a huge dislike for each other... yet when they just got on with it, Tevez returned and immediately we got our finger out and closed that 8 pt gap to clinch the title. He also practically dragged us into the CL on his own. Same with Guardiola and Messi at Barcelona... neither got on well, but Messi played his best football under him. When Mancini was sacked and the club put out that statement about the holistic approach bollocks, my old man even said to me that it's going to be all backwards from here. If you want to make friends and have fun fun f*cking fun, just hire Redknapp and be done with it. Rinus Michels, widely known that he was a ruthless c*nt... a c*nt that got results is also regarded as the greatest manager of all time. Pellegrini has simply got to grow some balls, even with Joe Hart, backing a player and kissing his ass never works... can't help but feel the club are trying to please the media rather than put the club itself first. They like managers like Redknapp, managers who will kiss English footballs backside but go out and lose on a weekly basis. Ferguson had a habit of banning them... Pellegrini simply needs to be more demanding and aggresive, it looks as if he has the respect but no authority. And there's a difference there.

Superb post , couldn`nt agree more.

 

[hilts]

Re: Clueless manager

Pellegrini simply isn't good enough and I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone after this season or perhaps even earlier depending on where we are in the table in January.

He's 60. I don't think he was ever going to be long term.

Ferran said in his post season interview that he has always held the philosophy of a two season cycle for managers. I am a staunch Pellegrini defender but if we don't improve I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new head coach come in this summer. That is the beauty of the director of football approach, we could theoretically change coaches without having to disrupt the squad too much. We can appoint coaches based on our squad.

What happens if the director of football is shit though? the big problem with the dof system is that when things go wrong the blame game becomes a lottery

 

[cleavers]

For me it's pretty obvious.

Play your strongest team whenever you can in the PL and the Champions League.

Correct, clearly we have to make changes for injuries, but change the minimum, too much tinkering for me.

 

[Bluescholar]

Diego Simeone at Atletico Madrid would be my choice followed by Laudrup

Is that the Laudrup that has taken Swansea into the bottom half ?

We aren't far off the bottom half either!

 

[bluemoonmatt]

The year before we won the league under Bob, my wonderful Aunt Bet who really was responsible for me being a bitter said "you know I just don't like him dont trust him" whereas I was fond of him from the off, the reason for saying this is if I'm totally honest, is I feel the same about Manuel. I know we should trust the higher more knowledgable powers of Txici and Ferran but I don't. I understand RM had lost the dressing room etc but I'm not convinced MP was the right appointment, it seemed devoid of ambition, and far far too safe. Pro MP'ers will point towards CL qualification but we need to accept that the group we drew was easy.

Today was not MP's fault though, nor really the players or the setup, we played pretty well and again deserved more from the match but life's a woman. We do seem to have some sort of pyschological problem whether this can be blamed on MP is perhaps debateable. The fact is we will now find it very hard to come back from this and win this league, the dropped points are nearly all in games we should be winning easily so we have to accept that there's a strong chance we will lose more points against stronger teams and that will ultimately prove a bridge too far. Can one of the cups prove MP's salvation, will any of the cups bar the CL be enough? I'm starting to sound like Wenger now.

 

[waspish]

Re: Clueless manager

What I know about football you could write on the back of a postage stamp. A quick question though: which of the following did you think on seeing the team sheet? 'That's a great line up, we're gonna be alright here', or was it a case of 'don't like the look of that defence and why the fuck is Garcia in the middle?'

I reckon the vast majority of supporters would have had musings concerning the latter. If that is the case, why the fuck couldn't the manager see the shortcomings with that line-up?

Because he disrespected Sunderland and how hard the premier league is away from home! Let's hope NOW he has learned because I can't take another performance like that one!

 

[cleavers]

Diego Simeone at Atletico Madrid would be my choice followed by Laudrup

Is that the Laudrup that has taken Swansea into the bottom half ?

We aren't far off the bottom half either!

I didn't say we were.....

 

[blue ranger]

Some people are deluded. Last season we lost 6 games all season. This year we've lost 4 already and even worse lost to Cardiff, villa and Sunderland.

Progress? don't make me laugh.