Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[badge]

Re: Clueless manager

i don't think there IS a problem. apart from bad luck or plain misfortune. i remember a city side back in the eighties, i think, and we were around the bottom of the table, if not bottom. we had an awful side but, inexplicably, we went and won five matches on the trot. no reason for it. no logic. it was purely a sequence of results. we ended up getting relegated. i maintain that the way we are playing away from home is enough to win most games.

you don't think there IS a problem ? That is just laughable

read this, laughing boy. we all think we're football experts, don't we! well, we're not. but do you care to elaborate on what you think the problem is? on second thoughts, forget it. i'm not interested. you just carry on believing there has to be a reason behind every happening in life.

 

[lasereyes]

Re: Clueless manager

I am still not clear on what basis Pellegrini is being ripped apart and people prostrating themselves in front of Mancini. As far as I see, Garcia was the only bad selection, and it was rectified at half time. Kolarov has been much better than Clichy this season, period. Forgotten the Manchester derby? I bet some of the same posters were orgasmic over his left wing link-ups with Nasri. And RIchards rotating for Zabs was also not bad. We are suffering a plague of injuries and rotating the right back position was not unreasonable. What if Zabs played every game and then picks up a strain? I'm sure the same posters would be slating Pellegrini for not giving him a rest.

So back to Garcia. Yes Pellegrini has had a blind spot with him (hopefully will be fixed now). But how as Mancini any better? He insisted on playing Savic game after game when it was clear the guy couldn't kick a ball straight. Only after he had gifted the match to Swansea did he finally drop him.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Re: Clueless manager

Harsh on Manuel, imo, definitely Dzeko's fault.

and Garcia's too.

 

[ballinio]

I want him sacked, he`s slowly managing to make each player worse & he doesn`t learn.

Each player? WHAT? Aguero, Silva and Nasri have *clearly* been better this season than last. Aguero is better than he has ever been this season.

lescott....worse Richards....worse zabaleta....worse Hart....worse clichy.....worse its evidence to suggest that the manager & his coaching team are taking the team BACKWARDS.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I am asking a direct question cards on the table time there has been enough beating around the bush (that's enough metaphors) on here today people just need to say it, and we then know where we all stand

I don't want him gone, I have seen more than enough to know that things will improve but that's just me

I want him sacked, he`s slowly managing to make each player worse & he doesn`t learn.

Nasri? Aguero? Silva? Kolarov? All playing better than they did last season IMO. And "doesn't learn"? Based on 11 games!? As I recall, we lost 1-0 at Sunderland last year.....and the year before that......and the year before that. Looks like the previous manager didn't learn either

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Clueless manager

This thread, or rather certain posts in this thread (glad to see some City fans still have some patience!), are really shameful.

I hate United as much as anyone, but their fans are making a marked effort to support their manager at the moment, hence their atmosphere has improved noticeably lately - exactly what their outgoing ****... err, manager, asked for.

We're becoming the very stereotype they're labelled with. Fickle, sitting on our hands at a stadium that is more and more resembling a library (despite the 1894 Group's best efforts... even Arsenal's atmosphere is better than ours this season), judgmental of everything, only satisfied when everything is perfect (there is a term for that... glory hunting). Ugh. Support the team and manager and if it's all gone tits up by the end of the season, then call for his head instead of being fickle little girls when everything isn't perfect.

I'm convinced many of our fans couldn't handle another bad spell for this club, they've become drunk on glory and accept nothing less now.

 

[badge]

Re: Clueless manager

Great thread with some great posts: my head is still spinning from the deja vu that is Man City (away) and the topsy-turvy posts here that are see it from all angles.

The thing is, I can't see why Pellegrini should take all the stick for this, when this kind of 'result versus performance' has being going on well before he got here. I could never watch the FA Cup Final versus Wigan again but to some extent what I recall was a truly characteristic deja vu away performance that even the great Roberto himself could not resolve. So all the people here calling for Pellegrini's head are likely saying too that Mancini had to go because of the Wigan result: its the same problem. Witness too the Kolarov versus Clichy debate on here: I was totally in favour of Clichy until the Wigan game, when he got done totally and showed that maybe his flush has been busted.

Its like whack-a-mole here and for every good idea: "...don't play Garcia", there is a counter argument that would say we needed some 'steel' in centre midfield .....

Back in the early 70's I remember a season where Maine Road was a total fortress, but we were truly hopeless away, and that was with Bell, Lee and Summerbee. Big City turn up to tight away ground: home team scores and the locals start taking the mick and stamping their feet through the floor of the man stand. Its actually taken a long trip to get back to that situation again but for me the away performances nowadays are the best I've ever seen from a City side. And if we can't win these games I'd still settle for being the team that's trying to break through the bus every single away game, than being the one that's parking it.

At the moment we have been truly sussed away: park the bus, keep em playing around the 18 yard line and hope for a lucky break via the referee or fate. I never liked the wingback system but yesterday I was thinking that we had to risk it and go three at the back, and keep Negredo on. If the home teams are going to attack, and hit us on the break, then the only difference I can see is for three defenders plus three strikers and see what happens.

Luckily for us, no-one yet has broken away at the top, and Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal fans will not be pleased with the way things went this weekend, and it has to be the most interesting (Prem) title race there has ever been. After yesterday, this thread was just what I needed,

Finally, is it just me, but is the World Cup preparation this season totally getting in the way of things.......

good to read somebody else with a sense of reason. i wish the club would sit everybody down before the season starts and manage our expectations. i've got devastating news for some people on here, so turn away now : it's very likely we're going to lose again this season.<br /><br />-- Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:28 pm --<br /><br />

i'm clueless so can one of our experts please name which manager should replace our current one.

thought as much.

 

[George Hannah]

Big Martin says the hard work starts at Christmas for Manuel - I beg to differ, it started on Sunday

Pellegrini had it easy
Manchester City did not reach the Champions League last 16 because Manuel Pellegrini is a master tactician. They progressed because he had the good fortune to land one of those 2+2 groups: two top level teams, two that are cannon fodder. Roberto Mancini would have breezed through just the same. So would just about any Manchester City manager from the modern era.
Mancini never got a 2+2 group. Last season he was up against Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund and Ajax, the previous year Bayern Munich, Napoli and Villarreal.

The 2+2 groups are easy to spot because the numbers are disproportionate. The combined goal difference of the bottom clubs, CSKA Moscow and Viktoria Plzen, in City’s Group D is -16. Nothing else comes close: Group A -6, Group B -6, Group C -12 (Anderlecht account for 10 of those), Group E -7, Group F -4, Group G -9, Group H -7.
The figures are symmetrical so City and Bayern Munich have the best combined goal difference, too: +16. They also have 21 points between them compared to scores of between 14 and 18 in all other groups.
So Pellegrini hasn’t been tested yet. The real work starts after Christmas; for Mancini it began on the day the draw was made.

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2498155/Ashley-Young-cheated-diving-did-Markel-Bergara-fouling--Martin-Samuel.html#ixzz2kNXBxCmI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2kNXBxCmI</a>

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: Clueless manager

This thread, or rather certain posts in this thread (glad to see some City fans still have some patience!), are really shameful.

I hate United as much as anyone, but their fans are making a marked effort to support their manager at the moment, hence their atmosphere has improved noticeably lately - exactly what their outgoing ****... err, manager, asked for.

We're becoming the very stereotype they're labelled with. Fickle, sitting on our hands at a stadium that is more and more resembling a library (despite the 1894 Group's best efforts... even Arsenal's atmosphere is better than ours this season), judgmental of everything, only satisfied when everything is perfect (there is a term for that... glory hunting). Ugh. Support the team and manager and if it's all gone tits up by the end of the season, then call for his head instead of being fickle little girls when everything isn't perfect.

I'm convinced many of our fans couldn't handle another bad spell for this club, they've become drunk on glory and accept nothing less now.

Far too sensible for this lunatic thread! Be off with you, Sir!

 

[cleavers]

some of us are getting concerned

Don't you think we're all concerned ? The problem is it doesn't need the almost gleeful posts of some when we lose, those who rarely speak at all when we're winning 5 games out the previous 6, does it ?