Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[Didsbury Dave]

Far too many people seeing this as a permanent decision if he does drop hart. In that kind of situation I hope the manager is boxing clever, telling Hart that he will be back in the side as soon as his game is back to top form. The right time to judge whether this is the right call is the end of the season in retrospect, not now. Will pants nail number one as his own? Will Hart come back fired up? Will pants be shit and hart lose all his confidence?

You'd hope that a clever manager knows enough about the psychology of his players to manipulate the situation in the club's interests. My guess is that pants will come back in, Hart will be focused and determined out of the firing line, Pants will make an error or two and Hart will come back good as new.

Lets see what happens before judging this tough call. Joe hart won't be the first or last goalkeeper to be dropped.you can be sure of that.

 

[coleridge]

Three games in 8 days until the international break and then experimental England Keepers in friendlies. Maybe no games for Hart.

So then would Pellers change it for Spurs? I am struggling to see the logic as next time Hart plays, Pants is dropped.

But apparently it's all fine. So be it. We'll see. I wonder if Joe's agent's phone is busy tonight. How old is Czech again?

 

[bobmcfc]

Hmmm ... I see what you're trying to do but you are WAY wide of the mark. To begin with, which top clubs in Europe need a keeper? After you've figured that out tell me which one of them is likely to bid for Hart, someone who's been dropped by City because of his poor form over a longish period of time.

Hart's going nowhere and more importantly, he won't want to go anywhere unless City actually go out and sign an out and out replacement for him first. That kind of call won't be made until the summer.

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea have Courtois ready to replace Cech. Which other big clubs will come for him?

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Expect bids in January from all the top clubs for joe hart, he will not want to stay here now if we aren't backing him

Hmmm ... I see what you're trying to do but you are WAY wide of the mark. To begin with, which top clubs in Europe need a keeper? After you've figured that out tell me which one of them is likely to bid for Hart, someone who's been dropped by City because of his poor form over a longish period of time.

Hart's going nowhere and more importantly, he won't want to go anywhere unless City actually go out and sign an out and out replacement for him first. That kind of call won't be made until the summer.

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea? Why on earth would he go there? Not to play football that's for sure.
Cech is still a significantly better keeper than Joe, and in Courtois (spelling?)they have a very good young keeper at their disposal. Too god to be nr.2 at Chelsea really. But maybe they can keep loaning him out until Cech calls it a day.

Tottenham have Lloris, - better than Joe.
Manure has De Gea, - better than Joe, and will be among the best three keepers in the world soon enough.
Liverpool has Mignolet, - if not better, than at least as good a Joe.

At Bayern, Dortmund, the two Madrid-sides, Barcelona and so on, he wouldn't stand a chance at taking the first spot. A mid-table PL team would take him, as would quite a few Italian sides do me reckons.

Maybe we could do a loan swap with Malaga? ;)

But Hart is still young and will hopefully become better and better. It would be foolish to let him go from the club on a permanent basis.

 

[coleridge]

Far too many people seeing this as a permanent decision if he does drop hart. In that kind of situation I hope the manager is boxing clever, telling Hart that he will be back in the side as soon as his game is back to top form. The right time to judge whether this is the right call is the end of the season in retrospect, not now. Will pants nail number one as his own? Will Hart come back fired up? Will pants be shit and hart lose all his confidence?

You'd hope that a clever manager knows enough about the psychology of his players to manipulate the situation in the club's interests. My guess is that pants will come back in, Hart will be focused and determined out of the firing line, Pants will make an error or two and Hart will come back good as new.

Lets see what happens before judging this tough call. Joe hart won't be the first or last goalkeeper to be dropped.you can be sure of that.

I can see what you mean but the pivotal point appears to be that Pants needs to make mistakes so that Hart comes back a better keeper. It's all a bit too deep for me. I just thought he'd been dropped until further notice and was extrapolating from that basic fact.

 

[bobmcfc]

Hmmm ... I see what you're trying to do but you are WAY wide of the mark. To begin with, which top clubs in Europe need a keeper? After you've figured that out tell me which one of them is likely to bid for Hart, someone who's been dropped by City because of his poor form over a longish period of time.

Hart's going nowhere and more importantly, he won't want to go anywhere unless City actually go out and sign an out and out replacement for him first. That kind of call won't be made until the summer.

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea? Why on earth would he go there? Not to play football that's for sure.
Cech is still a significantly better keeper than Joe, and in Courtois (spelling?)they have a very good young keeper at their disposal. Too god to be nr.2 at Chelsea really. But maybe they can keep loaning him out until Cech calls it a day.

Tottenham have Lloris, - better than Joe.
Manure has De Gea, - better than Joe, and will be among the best three keepers in the world soon enough.
Liverpool has Mignolet, - if not better, than at least as good a Joe.

At Bayern, Dortmund, the two Madrid-sides, Barcelona and so on, he wouldn't stand a chance at taking the first spot. A mid-table PL team would take him, as would quite a few Italian sides do me reckons.

Maybe we could do a loan swap with Malaga? ;)

But Hart is still young and will hopefully become better and better. It would be foolish to let him go from the club on a permanent basis.

So by your above statement he isn't a very good keeper and we should be looking to sell him anyway. Fair enough

For what it's worth IMO joe is better than the Chelsea, united , spurs and Liverpool keepers you mentioned

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Far too many people seeing this as a permanent decision if he does drop hart. In that kind of situation I hope the manager is boxing clever, telling Hart that he will be back in the side as soon as his game is back to top form. The right time to judge whether this is the right call is the end of the season in retrospect, not now. Will pants nail number one as his own? Will Hart come back fired up? Will pants be shit and hart lose all his confidence?

You'd hope that a clever manager knows enough about the psychology of his players to manipulate the situation in the club's interests. My guess is that pants will come back in, Hart will be focused and determined out of the firing line, Pants will make an error or two and Hart will come back good as new.

Lets see what happens before judging this tough call. Joe hart won't be the first or last goalkeeper to be dropped.you can be sure of that.

I can see what you mean but the pivotal point appears to be that Pants needs to make mistakes so that Hart comes back a better keeper. It's all a bit too deep for me. I just thought he'd been dropped until further notice and was extrapolating from that basic fact.

Ultimately, if the manager still believes hart is the better keeper, then when Hart's form and confidence recovers I expect him to come back in the side. It's as simple as that.

The other thing here is that Pellegrini also has to manage Pantillimon. He has been so patient for so long that he will believe he deserves his chance.

 

[Anonymous]

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Don't agree with most of what you've posted tbh. I don't think Joe would want to leave City unless he was replaced and there was a CL club in for him. The notion he'll go to any decent side who offer him first team football is laughable. The idea that United might be tempted even more laughable.

Going back to your earlier post about this heaping more pressure on Pellegrini ... he's not under pressure. Our performances have been excellent for the most part in recent weeks. We're six points off the top of the table having not played Arsenal or Liverpool yet ... we're going to qualify from our CL group. Considering he's been in the job a few months I suspect Khaldoon et al are delighted with the progress we're making. They're the only people who really matter when it comes to pressure for someone like Pellegrini.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea have Courtois ready to replace Cech. Which other big clubs will come for him?

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Blue tinted glasses off and De gea is playing much better than Hart for a while now, they wouldn't want to switch keepers with him. And Lopez and Valdes are both playing better than Hart this season. No keeper has made as many errors leading to a goal in all of THE TOP 5 LEAGUES to underline how badly Joe has been playing this season. Joe needs some time to iron out his game away from the spotlight. I recall how shite De gea used to be and the GPC rotated him with Lindegaard till he worked on his game and proved his quality again.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea have Courtois ready to replace Cech. Which other big clubs will come for him?

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Melodramatic rubbish,every word. Hart is not going to go screaming off to his agent because he's been dropped for one game. He might do if he is not playing come next summer, but there's a lot of football to be played yet and he's a great pro. He will be focussing on winning his place back, not changing clubs.