Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[bluemoonmatt]

I think Chelsea would be more than willing to take him. I'm thinking from joes point of view with a World Cup approaching. I hope Roy plays him if he's not in the side but I'm not sure that can be guaranteed

Chelsea have Courtois ready to replace Cech. Which other big clubs will come for him?

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Not sure I'm taking you seriously any more De Gea is coming decent (bah!) they wouldnt replace a DdG on good form with a misfiring Hart and we would not sell to them end of. Its not often I agree with Billys or Dids Dave but theyre both on the money on this, its actually a decision that has made my opinion of Pelle improve slightly (if were to keep this on topic) It isnt a long term unless of course Pants turns out to be some kind of Yashin/Zoff/Shilts/Maier/Red nose fucker all rolled into one. No one likes making decisions like these and if (it is still an if) Pelle has made it, I cannot understand, given Joes form how anyone can argue its a bad call. Joe will go nowhere until July at the earliest and if by then he hasnt proved his worth to us then his worth is not all that much

 

[moomba]

I could see United being interested if De Gea wanted back to Spain which is often rumoured.

 

[Anonymous]

Melodramatic rubbish,every word.

In a thread about Pellegrini ... never ... ;)

 

[bobmcfc]

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Don't agree with most of what you've posted tbh. I don't think Joe would want to leave City unless he was replaced and there was a CL club in for him. The notion he'll go to any decent side who offer him first team football is laughable. The idea that United might be tempted even more laughable.

Going back to your earlier post about this heaping more pressure on Pellegrini ... he's not under pressure. Our performances have been excellent for the most part in recent weeks. We're six points off the top of the table having not played Arsenal or Liverpool yet ... we're going to qualify from our CL group. Considering he's been in the job a few months I suspect Khaldoon et al are delighted with the progress we're making. They're the only people who really matter when it comes to pressure for someone like Pellegrini.

I don't agree with you on the joe hart situation or that our performances have been excellent, that simply isn't true at all. I can't talk anymore about this with you because you will turn it into a debate about the manager and his job and how we hate him. If you agree with him dropping joe then fine , I don't because joe is better than pantilimon. We have a home game tomorrow that would have been a way for joe to ease back into the fold.

 

[Matt the Giant]

So by your above statement he isn't a very good keeper and we should be looking to sell him anyway. Fair enough

Nah, not at all Bob. At the end of my post I wrote:

It would be foolish to let him go from the club on a permanent basis.

I think he IS a good keeper, but as good as a few others seem to think. That's just down to personal opinions and I am fine with that.

For what it's worth IMO joe is better than the Chelsea, united , spurs and Liverpool keepers you mentioned

You really think Joe is a better keeper than Cech? In three years maybe but not now, again imo.
De Gea is improving by the season, rapidly becoming better and better. In him I see the future nr.1 keeper in the world.

 

[neilsonblue]

Joe (and many of us for that matter) sees himself as an elite player. As has been pointed out, the elite teams are served excellently by top level keepers so I don't buy into the argument that dropping Joe will lead to him seeking a transfer. I also think Joe is above that. There are very good goalies such as Begovic, Guzan and Ruddy who are not playing for the best teams and who have the capacity to develop further by stepping up a level. In short, the market does not favour Joe.
The reality is that Hart needs to realise that he cannot make basic errors with impunity, nor is he outside the loop when it comes to rotation. He is a very good keeper and I hope he is a big enough man not to throw any toys out of the pram. Pantillimon deserves his chance and should play until his form dictates otherwise. The problem is that a "Little Englander" mentality will be adopted by sections of the media, the same hacks who revelled in trying to dismantle Hart's reputation over the past weeks.
I suspect that Joe has the mentality, maturity and talent to overcome his current tribulations. Pellegrini is caught between a rock and a hard place. He has made the call it seems - either way required courage. In the final analysis, we all support the team irrespective of the personnel. We'll all disagree about who should play and whether the right decisions have been made, but that's why we have Bluemoon. Very good arguments from both perspectives have been made in this thread by the way.

 

[bobmcfc]

Joe (and many of us for that matter) sees himself as an elite player. As has been pointed out, the elite teams are served excellently by top level keepers so I don't buy into the argument that dropping Joe will lead to him seeking a transfer. I also think Joe is above that. There are very good goalies such as Begovic, Guzan and Ruddy who are not playing for the best teams and who have the capacity to develop further by stepping up a level. In short, the market does not favour Joe.
The reality is that Hart needs to realise that he cannot make basic errors with impunity, nor is he outside the loop when it comes to rotation. He is a very good keeper and I hope he is a big enough man not to throw any toys out of the pram. Pantillimon deserves his chance and should play until his form dictates otherwise. The problem is that a "Little Englander" mentality will be adopted by sections of the media, the same hacks who revelled in trying to dismantle Hart's reputation over the past weeks.
I suspect that Joe has the mentality, maturity and talent to overcome his current tribulations. Pellegrini is caught between a rock and a hard place. He has made the call it seems - either way required courage. In the final analysis, we all support the team irrespective of the personnel. We'll all disagree about who should play and whether the right decisions have been made, but that's why we have Bluemoon. Very good arguments from both perspectives have been made in this thread by the way.

I hope you are right and I hope it doesn't backfire on us

 

[Anonymous]

I don't agree with you on the joe hart situation or that our performances have been excellent, that simply isn't true at all. I can't talk anymore about this because you will turn it into a debate about the manager and his job and how we hate him. If you agree with him dropping joe then fine , I don't because joe is better than pantilimon. We have a home game tomorrow that would have been a way for joe to ease back into the fold.

Haha. Not nice when the shoe is on the other foot ... ;)

 

[bluemoonmatt]

United would be tempted if we would sell to them . Maybe even Madrid/Barcelona. Point is if he doesn't play here then I think he would go to any decent team if he was number one rather than sit on the bench. Saying Top team may be being pedantic, I honestly don't see him sticking around if he's not being backed billy.

Tbh this is further turmoil we didn't need, pants isn't going to solve our problems. We had a good win the other day and now we open this can Of worms.

Don't agree with most of what you've posted tbh. I don't think Joe would want to leave City unless he was replaced and there was a CL club in for him. The notion he'll go to any decent side who offer him first team football is laughable. The idea that United might be tempted even more laughable.

Going back to your earlier post about this heaping more pressure on Pellegrini ... he's not under pressure. Our performances have been excellent for the most part in recent weeks. We're six points off the top of the table having not played Arsenal or Liverpool yet ... we're going to qualify from our CL group. Considering he's been in the job a few months I suspect Khaldoon et al are delighted with the progress we're making. They're the only people who really matter when it comes to pressure for someone like Pellegrini.

Now Im not sure Im taking you seriously ;-) arf I dont get how anyone given our squad can be happy with the fact were 6 points off the pace to a squad so patently inferior to ours, yes possibly six of those points are howlers attributed to what we've just been discussing but were reliant on them and the other teams to start dropping a bollock or two and that doesnt sit well with me. For me given our squad we should be at least level with arse, not we need them to start dropping bollocks. They will but will we improve enough to capitalise?

 

[coleridge]

Far too many people seeing this as a permanent decision if he does drop hart. In that kind of situation I hope the manager is boxing clever, telling Hart that he will be back in the side as soon as his game is back to top form. The right time to judge whether this is the right call is the end of the season in retrospect, not now. Will pants nail number one as his own? Will Hart come back fired up? Will pants be shit and hart lose all his confidence?

You'd hope that a clever manager knows enough about the psychology of his players to manipulate the situation in the club's interests. My guess is that pants will come back in, Hart will be focused and determined out of the firing line, Pants will make an error or two and Hart will come back good as new.

Lets see what happens before judging this tough call. Joe hart won't be the first or last goalkeeper to be dropped.you can be sure of that.

I can see what you mean but the pivotal point appears to be that Pants needs to make mistakes so that Hart comes back a better keeper. It's all a bit too deep for me. I just thought he'd been dropped until further notice and was extrapolating from that basic fact.

Ultimately, if the manager still believes hart is the better keeper, then when Hart's form and confidence recovers I expect him to come back in the side. It's as simple as that.

The other thing here is that Pellegrini also has to manage Pantillimon. He has been so patient for so long that he will believe he deserves his chance.

Seems a fair summary if a little risky, dependent on how Hart reacts, which we cannot fully know, or how long Pants gets a chance for. However, I am comforted by your words and will now be content warming my hands at your campfire of the wait and see.