flb said:Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!
flb said:flb said:BillyShears said:I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.
The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.
Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!
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Thenumber1blue said:Yeh but it's the 11 league games your complaining about fella,well 4 of them anyway.I find it embarrassing ,whether you like him,rate him, or not .When you think about the philosophy of calling for a new managers head after a handfull of games,it really is cringeworthy !
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Who's called for his head? I certainly haven't
He's had 17 competitive games to get his act together.
BillyShears said:I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.
The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.
mancity1 said:He carved up MP for dinner and spat him out after 21 minutes.
BillyShears said:flb said:Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!
haha ... good lad. Then you know how City do things. We'll win the league this season. It won't be easy and it won't be pretty at times. But it'll be one hell of an achievement. Maybe not the crazy insane madness of how we won it under Mancini ... but an achievement nonetheless.
yflb said:chris85mcfc said:
Complete fucking rubbish about Milner and Richards-they will not be given the chance under this manager, yet that complete fucking waste of space Garcia comes in as does Demechiles (sp) at the expense of the English lads.
I will ask you again-if we get rid of the English lads who comes in to fill the homegrown criteria?
It's not horse shit tho is it. How many of our 'English quota' played in the most recent England games. Don't recall seeing Lescott, Richards or Milner (may have come on as sub). So if their not good enough for England how can they be good enough for us?
The problem is more in your second point, of who is a better option? And i agree there isn't much talent about and those that are potentially good enough will want to play week in, week out. And this is my reasons as to why we have kept hold of Lescott/Richards as there isn't much else available.
Like someone else mentioned I like the look of Luke Shaw, James Ward-Prowse at Southampton and also Ross Barkley at Everton but personally i can't see any of those moving any time soon. Pretty sure Luke Shaw has just signed a 5 year contract.
Richards has had appalling luck with injuries, Milner is certainly good enough, jury is out on Rodwell
Personally id give Everton whatever they like for Baines.
If its going to be English out English has to come in.
flb said:BillyShears said:flb said:Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!
haha ... good lad. Then you know how City do things. We'll win the league this season. It won't be easy and it won't be pretty at times. But it'll be one hell of an achievement. Maybe not the crazy insane madness of how we won it under Mancini ... but an achievement nonetheless.
I can tell even you are surprised at how he's struggling at present mate, Dave posts three days after a defeat these days, when we got beat when "the Italian" was in charge , even early into his tenure he was on within hours prodding Mancini in the chest.
Fingers crossed eh Billy, as you say it will take a lot of luck to come top this season.
BillyShears said:I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.
The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.
BillyShears said:mancity1 said:He carved up MP for dinner and spat him out after 21 minutes.
Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
mancity1 said:BillyShears said:mancity1 said:He carved up MP for dinner and spat him out after 21 minutes.
Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
Admit it Billy didn't you see the top notch Chilean wobble that head every time your french feed span in on him.
What do we do FFS to his side kick not again we can't get near their goal keeper.
I watched the replays of the last three times and I thought I had rectified this situation (LOL).
Our strikers didn't have an off day our strikers couldn't get a shot through the 10 man defense Billy.
No luck about it all , just dumb play , we should have given them 65 per cent possession and hit them on the break like we did against West Brom.
Pack the defence and counter attack Billy ala Manure , I must say and hate to bring it up Billy but that day it was a stroke of brilliance forom the manager at the time whoever it was.
Don't be too concerned about me Billy I haven't given up on MP yet.
( ps Sorry if you were at the game but I betting you weren't )
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:Exeter Blue I am here said:TGR said:Without a doubt.
An excellent objective, balanced & reasoned post.
A most refreshing change around here.
You mean one that you agree with. Personally I'm always suspicious of the blue credentials of people with just 2 posts to their name, pitching in to any aspect of our club with such gusto. Anyway, amazing that Pellegrini got Malaga to the brink of the chimps league semis against a team that tore us a new one home and away, and amazing that he got to manage Real Madrid, what with his being so shit and all, eh? Objective, balanced and reasoned my arse. Say goodnight to the folks Gracie......
So just because he only has 2 posts he isn't allowed to say his peace?? Come on EB that's a little bit harsh
BillyShears said:mancity1 said:He carved up MP for dinner and spat him out after 21 minutes.
Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
He might well be committed to attack, but the stats just don't bear your theory out - although I can't quote them, I know the contradict your argumentflb said:mancity1 said:BillyShears said:Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
Admit it Billy didn't you see the top notch Chilean wobble that head every time your french feed span in on him.
What do we do FFS to his side kick not again we can't get near their goal keeper.
I watched the replays of the last three times and I thought I had rectified this situation (LOL).
Our strikers didn't have an off day our strikers couldn't get a shot through the 10 man defense Billy.
No luck about it all , just dumb play , we should have given them 65 per cent possession and hit them on the break like we did against West Brom.
Pack the defence and counter attack Billy ala Manure , I must say and hate to bring it up Billy but that day it was a stroke of brilliance forom the manager at the time whoever it was.
Don't be too concerned about me Billy I haven't given up on MP yet.
( ps Sorry if you were at the game but I betting you weren't )
Agree totally about countering, Sunderland were desperate for points and would have left themselves open at some point.
Manuel seems obsessed with playing the beautiful game all the time, when we took the lead at Cardiff he was still urging us to attack attack attack, it doesn't work in this league- when he winds his neck in a little we might get somewhere.
OB1 said:BillyShears said:mancity1 said:He carved up MP for dinner and spat him out after 21 minutes.
Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
Right again, Billy.
JoeMercer'sWay said:OB1 said:BillyShears said:Poyet did fuck all except get lucky our strikers had an off day and Silva was injured. Pep carved MP up. Poyet didn't. Not by a long stretch.
Right again, Billy.
Disagree, Pelle messed it up imo.
OB1 said:JoeMercer'sWay said:OB1 said:Right again, Billy.
Disagree, Pelle messed it up imo.
I know: I saw your dissertation;-)
Look, Sunderland hardly got anywhere near our goal until they scored (go check your chalkboard) and they only scored because Milner was fouled. That allowed them to park the bus.
At least one of Dzeko, Aguero or Navas should have finished off very presentable chances. Kolarov should have managed to get something on target from 5 attempts, even if they were mostly from outside the box.
Admire your efforts but we didn't need a fucking midfield diamond, we needed a bit of clinical finishing.
I think this situation is one where the quantitative nature of stats masks the qualitative reality. The stats apparently show we're conceding fewer shots on targets than we used to but we're conceding more goals. Some people are putting that down to luck, players making mistakes, bad refereeing decisions, injuries, basically all the things that are just normally part of football. I don't believe in that. I certainly don't believe these factors are long-term, true, we're not in long-term territory yet, but I think most observers, not just City fans, have noted a decline in our defence and that we look more fragile. I believe this is correct and the chances the opposition get, although they might have fewer shots on goal because the high line means less possession for the opposition in our final third, the flip side is the space behind them has been exploited by the ball over the top and more heavy employment of wing-backs means being more exposed on the counter, leading to more clear-cut chances where the odds of scoring are higher - thus why we have conceded more in reality. I don't there's been anything remotely unpredictable in all of this. Most of us expected us to concede more before the season started. Our defensive record under Mancini was excellent and conceding 0.84 goals per game over three seasons is a wonderful achievement which is not easy to better. A goal a game is more than good enough to win the championship, a goal a game is a title-winning defence and Mancini had us at better than that level for three years. However, it was going forwards both in 10/11 and 12/13 that let us down. The transition to more attacking football, on average, was necessary, also Soriano and Txiki are from the Barcelona school of we'll-score-more-than-you. I'd be fine with that, if it worked, but the record in the English League shows it doesn't. We still need something in-between. With Mancini we were slightly too cautious, now we've gone too far the other way. We need to hit the sweet spot in the middle. Goldilocks title-winning land.Marvin said:He might well be committed to attack, but the stats just don't bear your theory out - although I can't quote them, I know the contradict your argument
City are not getting cut to ribbons on the counter. Pants or Hart are not being forced to make many saves. We're conceding 2-3 chances a game, and unfortunately at the moment they are all ending up in the back of our net
Think back to Cardiff, Villa and Sunderland. Almost all their chances were converted. You must agree with that. If not, check the Match Centre stats on the official site. Sunderland had 2 shots and 1 goal.
JoeMercer'sWay said:OB1 said:JoeMercer'sWay said:Disagree, Pelle messed it up imo.
I know: I saw your dissertation;-)
Look, Sunderland hardly got anywhere near our goal until they scored (go check your chalkboard) and they only scored because Milner was fouled. That allowed them to park the bus.
At least one of Dzeko, Aguero or Navas should have finished off very presentable chances. Kolarov should have managed to get something on target from 5 attempts, even if they were mostly from outside the box.
Admire your efforts but we didn't need a fucking midfield diamond, we needed a bit of clinical finishing.
Again, I disagree, I don't think many of our chances were clear cut, certainly not in the proportion that we've scored goals in other games.
Also think Sunderland were competitive and having too much space in that first half and were allowed to sit because they got a goal that we shouldn't have ended up in the position of conceding, regardless of the goal.
BillyShears said:I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.
The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.