Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

We have had unbelievably bad luck regarding injuries from the start of the season. Our results away have not reflected the way the team have played. Pellegrini changes things around when we are losing and must be frustrated with the results himself. These next fixtures with top teams playing each other will enable us to move up the table,and we do have a great record at home to compensate for the dropped points away.

All clubs have injuries, no excuse.

Course it's a bloody excuse. on Sunday we had Kompany, Fernandhino,Merlin and Nastasic out. That would be a big loss for ANY
team. I'm Not going into the wrongs and rights of Pellegrini's setup because of that, but Sunderland showed that our squad/bench
is not as strong as it looks on paper.

 

[PragueBlue]

True but his track record does in fact suggest that he is a very good manager.

Yet not quite good enough to win any trophies in the last 10 years.

 

[Danielmanc]

I actually find it really funny now that people are still kidding themselves that were are having a better season and that Pellegrini has turned "he who shall not be named" into dust!! 6 away games-1,yes 1 fucking victory!!
Forgive me but did we have to be at the qpr game on 95 minutes to be allowed an opinion on Pellegrini?Or at Wembley in 99 at 2-0 down?
I'd just like to add that I was there till the end so that must mean I am allowed to comment.
If people keep trying to disregard what he who shall not be named did then his fan boys (me included) will keep coming on defending him. Let the vitriole continue because his trophy count overides any mud that gets slung about him by certain posters.Until Pellegrini proves otherwise and from what I have seen isn't going to happen then he will never be a patch on he who shall not be named
We can comment on Pellegrini because he is the current manager-a manager who is way out of his depth in this league.A manager who is simply a yes man to the Spanish pair of baffoons, a manager who will - in my opinion - win absolutely nothing with City,and a manager who looks fucking haunted by the task he has taken on.
Would I like him to be sacked? No not at all because I think he deserves longer to disprove my opinion otherwise however something tells me the WBA and Southampton games will tell me if he has learnt about tactics,formation going into tricky away games.

I remain hopeful that things will be fine against Spurs but another 1100 plus match day thread will mean only one thing and should that be the case you won't have to be too smart to figure on what the gang that say yes we have a better squad than last year will say to support why that should mean a better set of results.

Will it be the no Kompany no SIlva , no City brigade or will it be as Marvin recently said we lost at Sunderland because we didn't have Hart in goal (LOL).

Plus the following:-

1. The performances didn't warrant a defeat!
2. With No Silva or VK what do people expect
3. Our away performances are showing an upword curve
4. Just one of those days
5. 25 shots on target..Opposition were lucky with their one shot on goal which
happened to win the game.
6. It doesn't matter because we are in the last 16 of the CL and this is all that
matters.
7. He is only keeping the seat warm for Guardiola.
8. The 100 million spent was only to replace Tevez and Mario
9. We will definitely win the league!!!!
10.Blame the players,not the manager.
11. Even if we don't get top 4 he will still be here next year
12. The outers just want him to fail.

The excuses just keep coming.
I could go on but will just get shouted down.

By and large there is only one stat that matters in relation to the away games that we are all talking about:
Cardiff got 3 points - City got none
Same at Villa
Same at Sunderland

Shots on goal / chances / possession blah blah count for nothing at the end of the day. I'd rather have 10% possession and 3 points thanks !

Pellegrini's task is to sort that out and I sincerely hope that he can do it.

 

[OB1]

True but his track record does in fact suggest that he is a very good manager.

Yet not quite good enough to win any trophies in the last 10 years.

Yeah, yeah yeah. The only real blemish being that he didn't manage a trophy in his one season at Madrid where the useless old git only managed a 75% win percentage and a record points hall; where he lost out to Pep's Barca. I'd rather have Pep in charge but he isn't available.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, yeah yeah. The only real blemish being that he didn't manage a trophy in his one season at Madrid where the useless old git only managed a 75% win percentage and a record points hall; where he lost out to Pep's Barca. I'd rather have Pep in charge but he isn't available.

Trophies don't guarantee you top jobs. It's a weird one that. Benitez and Mancini are just two managers with fantastic trophy records across various competitions yet neither manager is going to be at the top 5/10 clubs in the world anytime soon.

 

[PragueBlue]

True but his track record does in fact suggest that he is a very good manager.

Yet not quite good enough to win any trophies in the last 10 years.

Yeah, yeah yeah. The only real blemish being that he didn't manage a trophy in his one season at Madrid where the useless old git only managed a 75% win percentage and a record points hall; where he lost out to Pep's Barca. I'd rather have Pep in charge but he isn't available.

Plenty of clubs in Spain (apart from Real Madrid and Barcelona) won trophies during Pellegrini's time there.

 

[PragueBlue]

Yeah, yeah yeah. The only real blemish being that he didn't manage a trophy in his one season at Madrid where the useless old git only managed a 75% win percentage and a record points hall; where he lost out to Pep's Barca. I'd rather have Pep in charge but he isn't available.

Trophies don't guarantee you top jobs. It's a weird one that. Benitez and Mancini are just two managers with fantastic trophy records across various competitions yet neither manager is going to be at the top 5/10 clubs in the world anytime soon.

Neither Benitez or Mancini are really known for playing especially attractive football and also both have a bit of a reputation as being difficult to work with. Factors which I am sure account for that as both are very successful. I believe Mancini has won trophies at every club he's been at, so I was surprised to see him end up in Turkey.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, yeah yeah. The only real blemish being that he didn't manage a trophy in his one season at Madrid where the useless old git only managed a 75% win percentage and a record points hall; where he lost out to Pep's Barca. I'd rather have Pep in charge but he isn't available.

Trophies don't guarantee you top jobs. It's a weird one that. Benitez and Mancini are just two managers with fantastic trophy records across various competitions yet neither manager is going to be at the top 5/10 clubs in the world anytime soon.

Neither Benitez or Mancini are really known for playing especially attractive football and also both have a bit of a reputation as being difficult to work with. Factors which I am sure account for that as both are very successful. I believe Mancini has won trophies at every club he's been at, so I was surprised to see him end up in Turkey.

Still if the benchmark is trophies won then you'd expect guys like them to be at least being considered for the top jobs. I think in Rafa's case he could've gone to PSG but they fucked him around.

I definitely think a lot of clubs are wary of overly political managers who like to start fires in and around the club. It's true that both Rafa and Roberto (along with Mou) are very prone to that.

 

[Bill]

Personally I think his ability to turn Mancini into dust at City was far more impressive than anything he did at Villareal ... ;)

Seriously though ... you should have a little more faith. Pellegrini's a top manager who is going to be very successful with City. His achievements at Villareal and Malaga are spectacular. It's why he's such a widely respected coach by not just pundits, but players and other managers within football.

I will remind of this post on the 2nd of Jan.

Delusion beyond belief.

On a side note when are you coming over next sweet cheeks.

Fancy a pint later today sweet cheeks ? Otherwise over the weekend ?

i'll bell you. flyer tonight maybe.

 

[Anonymous]

i'll bell you. flyer tonight maybe.

I'm on the frenchie ... iMessage me.

 

[flb]

Trophies don't guarantee you top jobs. It's a weird one that. Benitez and Mancini are just two managers with fantastic trophy records across various competitions yet neither manager is going to be at the top 5/10 clubs in the world anytime soon.

Neither Benitez or Mancini are really known for playing especially attractive football and also both have a bit of a reputation as being difficult to work with. Factors which I am sure account for that as both are very successful. I believe Mancini has won trophies at every club he's been at, so I was surprised to see him end up in Turkey.

Still if the benchmark is trophies won then you'd expect guys like them to be at least being considered for the top jobs. I think in Rafa's case he could've gone to PSG but they fucked him around.

I definitely think a lot of clubs are wary of overly political managers who like to start fires in and around the club. It's true that both Rafa and Roberto (along with Mou) are very prone to that.

Rather that than cuddly old labrador's in the twilight of there managerial careers.

Will TB and FS peddle him if God forbid we dont qualify for CL?

Or will they peddle the line that he needs time blah blah blah.

 

[Bill]

despite my misgivings regarding the sacking of mancini pelligrini was a decent replacement at the time, he still may be. my beef is all this mid table shit could so been avoided by keeping mancini in the first place. people would be miffed or will have left but one thing for certain we'd be top of the league.

 

[Anonymous]

despite my misgivings regarding the sacking of mancini pelligrini was a decent replacement at the time, he still may be. my beef is all this mid table shit could so been avoided by keeping mancini in the first place. people would be miffed or will have left but one thing for certain we'd be top of the league.

I'm not sure if Vinny and several other key first team players leaving would've ensured we were top of the league mate ... ;)

 

[flb]

Very likely that if we fail to make top four our big hitters will want away and you can kiss passing the FFP restrictions to boot. If so Txixi may aswell collect his P45 on his way to the airport.

 

[Anonymous]

Very likely that if we fail to make top four our big hitters will want away and you can kiss passing the FFP restrictions to boot. If so Txixi may aswell collect his P45 on his way to the airport.

If we fail to make the top 4 it'll be the disaster on an epic scale. I would expect Pellegrini to lose his job. I would expect Bluemoon to be shut for the summer. I would expect absolute chaos on the press. And yes, I'd expect most of our big hitters to want away.

It's a good thing it's all hypothetical hey ... ;)

 

[flb]

Very likely that if we fail to make top four our big hitters will want away and you can kiss passing the FFP restrictions to boot. If so Txixi may aswell collect his P45 on his way to the airport.

If we fail to make the top 4 it'll be the disaster on an epic scale. I would expect Pellegrini to lose his job. I would expect Bluemoon to be shut for the summer. I would expect absolute chaos on the press. And yes, I'd expect most of our big hitters to want away.

It's a good thing it's all hypothetical hey ... ;)

I bet Soriano is drafting up some contingency plans as we speak !!!

 

[Anonymous]

I bet Soriano is drafting up some contingency plans as we speak !!!

I'm sure as long as he stays off Bluemoon and sticks to the reality of what's going on he'll have no need to be worrying about contingency plans :)

 

[kenzie115]

Very likely that if we fail to make top four our big hitters will want away and you can kiss passing the FFP restrictions to boot. If so Txixi may aswell collect his P45 on his way to the airport.

If we fail to make the top 4 FFP won't matter anyway!

Just as the Mancini threads of last season became ever so tedious, as has this one. It's the exact same conversations between many of the same posters but inners are now outers and vice versa.

For what it's worth, I loved Mancini and what he did for us and whilst he might have been more charming and fan-friendly than the reserved Pellegrini, I still think the right decision was made and I believe we'll definitely make top 4, I also think we'll win the league.

 

[franksinatra]

Very likely that if we fail to make top four our big hitters will want away and you can kiss passing the FFP restrictions to boot. If so Txixi may aswell collect his P45 on his way to the airport.

If we fail to make the top 4 it'll be the disaster on an epic scale. I would expect Pellegrini to lose his job. I would expect Bluemoon to be shut for the summer. I would expect absolute chaos on the press. And yes, I'd expect most of our big hitters to want away.

It's a good thing it's all hypothetical hey ... ;)

I bet Soriano is drafting up some contingency plans as we speak !!!

I think Pellegrini will be here for a good number of years, firstly as he was the first appointment by the Spanish contingent and so he will be given a bit more time, and also he has been identified to fit in the model the club wishes to follow. Whether we agree or not Mancini wanted more control of the running of the playing side of the club and many manager would be ruled out as they would probably also want significant control.

I just hope he either alters the tactics to suit the personnel he has at his disposal or alternatively is given free rein to bring the players in he things would suit the tactics. At the moment we are somewhere in between hence the poor results,.

 

[Bill]

despite my misgivings regarding the sacking of mancini pelligrini was a decent replacement at the time, he still may be. my beef is all this mid table shit could so been avoided by keeping mancini in the first place. people would be miffed or will have left but one thing for certain we'd be top of the league.

I'm not sure if Vinny and several other key first team players leaving would've ensured we were top of the league mate ... ;)

one thing I detest is player power. besides they signed for Manchester city and not for mancini. we are the only club in world football that can throw them in with the stiffs and buy new ones. look at the rags with the granny shagger. they had no choice but to suck his dick when he threw a strop. we don't have to do that with ANY player. mancini and his manmanagement is no different to pelligrini, do what you like but win stuff. well i'm not convinced that mr nice will win us anything, that's not just this manager but any. these players are at the top of the game and have ego's to match. suck up to them and they'll lead you a dance.

we have just blown the best chance ever of dominating the cash cow that is association football.