Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[Thenumber1blue]

Refresh my memory. How many players did we buy during the window to replace the 1 who left.

When you say 1 are you referring to Tevez, Barry, Sinclair, Maicon or Kolo?

Plus one of the 5 was bought to replace Balotelli, even though he left in January.

My mistake - though only 2 of them performed to the level required on a regular enough basis (Tevez and Barry) and the Barry loan was self inflicted. We got Demichhels for Kolo (a very slight downgrade at the moment) that still means we are 2 better players up as Sinclair and Maicon were poor performers, Balotelli although a good player was a liability most of the time due to his indiscipline.

Denichelis a downgrade from Kolo,I fuckin despair !

 

[Ray78]

What Pellers is missing is something that Mancini had in his second season (and Whisky nose had throughout) the fight to win things. Being prepared to go toe to toe with those scrapping for their lives. Sadly there may be harmony in the dressing room now Mancini has gone but a shit teams comes up in our faces away from home its white flag waving time from us.

I will bite, Bullshit. The premier league was the only trophy he could of won after crashing out of the FA Cup, League cup and both European competitions. Underestimate Pellegrini at your peril.

 

[blueparrot]

Refresh my memory. How many players did we buy during the window to replace the 1 who left.

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

Maybe they thought a fit Demichelis would be adequate cover, I don't think 3 games after an injury in his first training session is fair to judge him , especially as he was probably rushed back to cover Kompany. As it is apart from a few sloppy passes I've been quite impressed with him and his ability to turn defence into attack quickly something we've lacked in the past. That's not to say we don't need further strengthening in defence in January.

 

[OB1]

What Pellers is missing is something that Mancini had in his second season (and Whisky nose had throughout) the fight to win things. Being prepared to go toe to toe with those scrapping for their lives. Sadly there may be harmony in the dressing room now Mancini has gone but a shit teams comes up in our faces away from home its white flag waving time from us.

I note that you said Mancini's second season but not third.

 

[OB1]

Refresh my memory. How many players did we buy during the window to replace the 1 who left.

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

 

[flb]

What Pellers is missing is something that Mancini had in his second season (and Whisky nose had throughout) the fight to win things. Being prepared to go toe to toe with those scrapping for their lives. Sadly there may be harmony in the dressing room now Mancini has gone but a shit teams comes up in our faces away from home its white flag waving time from us.

I will bite, Bullshit. The premier league was the only trophy he could of won after crashing out of the FA Cup, League cup and both European competitions. Underestimate Pellegrini at your peril.

Underestimate what? His lack of trophies ?

 

[PragueBlue]

Refresh my memory. How many players did we buy during the window to replace the 1 who left.

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

Best defensive record in the league 3 years in a row says all that is needed.

 

[Ray78]

What Pellers is missing is something that Mancini had in his second season (and Whisky nose had throughout) the fight to win things. Being prepared to go toe to toe with those scrapping for their lives. Sadly there may be harmony in the dressing room now Mancini has gone but a shit teams comes up in our faces away from home its white flag waving time from us.

I will bite, Bullshit. The premier league was the only trophy he could of won and we nearly fucked that up after crashing out of the FA Cup, League cup and both European competitions. Underestimate Pellegrini at your peril.

Underestimate what? His lack of trophies ?

The quality of manager.

 

[grunge]

It astounds me how impatient people are.

 

[PragueBlue]

I will bite, Bullshit. The premier league was the only trophy he could of won and we nearly fucked that up after crashing out of the FA Cup, League cup and both European competitions. Underestimate Pellegrini at your peril.

Underestimate what? His lack of trophies ?

The quality of manager.

And how do you judge that if not by success?

 

[Ray78]

Underestimate what? His lack of trophies ?

The quality of manager.

And how do you judge that if not by success?

Technically speaking Pellegrini has won the same amount of trophies as Mancini.

 

[flb]

Not particularly, are the ones you're taking affecting your grammar, or is it always poor?

Numbers are more my game petal, but hey you keep creaming your pants about apostrophes and keep dreaming about top four.

I've got a maths degree, doesn't stop me from understanding the English language.

If you really think we won't make the top 4, that it's just a dream, why not put your money where your mouth is?

Childish in the extreme

 

[BobKowalski]

Refresh my memory. How many players did we buy during the window to replace the 1 who left.

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

No chance. Best defensive record 3 seasons on the spin - and highest scorers in one to boot - is more than just two players saving our arses. Same players under Hughes couldn't defend to save their lives. Under Mancini it was like night and day. Pellers will be different again and so far it hasn't worked. How it will pan out over the course of the season is cause for legitimate debate which is fine but lets not start reinventing the past. Our record over the last three seasons is what it is.

 

[OB1]

The quality of manager.

And how do you judge that if not by success?

Technically speaking Pellegrini has won the same amount of trophies as Mancini.

You aren't allowed to count trophies won in South America because they can't play football properly over there.

 

[flb]

I will bite, Bullshit. The premier league was the only trophy he could of won and we nearly fucked that up after crashing out of the FA Cup, League cup and both European competitions. Underestimate Pellegrini at your peril.

I keep hearing it but nobody has seen him win anything.



Underestimate what? His lack of trophies ?

The quality of manager.

 

[OB1]

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

No chance. Best defensive record 3 seasons on the spin - and highest scorers in one to boot - is more than just two players saving our arses. Same players under Hughes couldn't defend to save their lives. Under Mancini it was like night and day. Pellers will be different again and so far it hasn't worked. How it will pan out over the course of the season is cause for legitimate debate which is fine but lets not start reinventing the past. Our record over the last three seasons is what it is.

No one's reinventing the past or changing the record but I sat in game after game during Maincini's reign where people around me fretted about us looking shaky at the back and it wasn't all a case of Cityitis.

 

[TGR]

The point is simple mate ... you said last season that injuries disrupted it ... but this season you're saying injuries are not an excuse ... yet we've had similar injuries to key players as last season. I agree the quality of our squad is better with Fernandinho replacing Barry and Negredo replacing Balo. But this doesn't change our vulnerability to an injury to Vinny. Yes it's something which should've been addressed in the summer, and whether the club tried or not they failed. But the end result is the same as it was last season. No Vinny means the back line like porous.

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

Best defensive record in the league 3 years in a row says all that is needed.

The facts are the facts and they speak for themselves.
One thing that is for certain though is that we won't have the best defensive record in the PL this season and thats for sure.

the revisionists on here will try and blur / change the facts but ultimately they will stand the test of time.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

And for the record, my comment above is not any sort of dig at Mancini or a suggestion that he didn't do a lot of excellent work on our defending as a team.

No chance. Best defensive record 3 seasons on the spin - and highest scorers in one to boot - is more than just two players saving our arses. Same players under Hughes couldn't defend to save their lives. Under Mancini it was like night and day. Pellers will be different again and so far it hasn't worked. How it will pan out over the course of the season is cause for legitimate debate which is fine but lets not start reinventing the past. Our record over the last three seasons is what it is.

No one's reinventing the past or changing the record but I sat in game after game during Maincini's reign where people around me fretted about us looking shaky at the back and it wasn't all a case of Cityitis.

Seriously? You and others thought we looked shaky at the back? Christ if you thought that was shaky then you must have gone from 'fretting' to 'hysterical panic' at this seasons defensive wobbles.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think that some have a rather romanticised view of our defending under Mancini. Our back four often looked vulnerable and didn't we have a tendency not to stop crosses at source? What frequently saved us were the interventions of Kompany and Hart. If we had those two playing regularly in top form...

We had the best defence in the Prem. We don't now.

As to stopping crosses at source. Mancini's scheme made the cross irrelevant as:
[a] the crosser had to bend the ball round the fullback 10 or so yards in front of him (not easy).
That full back contained the player while other players got back.
[c] When the cross came there were more than enough players in the box to intercept the cross.
[d] The winger rarely got behind the defence because when they attempted to do so. The fullback was on them instantly. The midfielder or centre half on that flank soon after if he beat the fullback.
Yes a high percentage of the goals against were from crosses but as the scheme resulted in one of the lowest if not the lowest goals against totals it was VERY SUCCESSFUL.

A shed load more successful than the current scheme and that is for sure. Indeed, I was VERY comfortable with our defence under Mancini - I get the collie-wobbles every time the opposition get anywhere near our penalty area under Pellegrini.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

We can comment on Pellegrini because he is the current manager-a manager who is way out of his depth in this league.A manager who is simply a yes man to the Spanish pair of baffoons, a manager who will - in my opinion - win absolutely nothing with City,and a manager who looks fucking haunted by the task he has taken on.

Hahaha. You are singlehandedly going to turn this thread into one that ends up in the Classics section of the forum.

Oh well - rather do that than use terms such as window licker to abuse fellow posters.
You simply have no idea do you what that means!!