Discuss Pellegrini

nijinsky's fetlocks said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
FantasyIreland said:
No.

I'm saying he should be replaced if progress from last season isn't made.

We won nothing last year and finished second.
So what do you mean by progress?
Surely that means winning something?

Anyone else fancy a stab at explaining this gem to a simpleton like myself, given that the author has taken his leave?
No mate, I've got a train to catch and beer to drink, oh and watch some football.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Skashion said:
FantasyIreland said:
Whats hard to understand about Pellegrini needing money to fill the various cracks from Mancini's reign while applying his own stamp on the squad?

The players brought in so far have simply replaced ones that have left,the requirement for further recruits is still there otherwise we go into a demanding season with an understrength and limited squad.

Myself and others had become disillusioned with Mancinis efforts in the market,without doubt he brought in some great players but he also wasted a lot of cash while still not fully building a capable balanced squad.

Lets also not forget he was given a further 50m last summer,no small sum and yet some of you like to pretend he was being hard done by.........

So,other than spending further money,do you know of another method Pellegrini can apply?
What's hard to understand? Quite simply this: Mancini won the title with 89 points and 93 goals with the same squad minus Balotelli and De Jong. Quite a few Outers said that was an underachievement i.e. there was still more to get out of those players. As you were one of Mancini's most vociferous critics you'd most likely be one of them and it probably wouldn't take me long to find posts to that effect. So, theoretically, the squad we had was capable of achieving let's say 95 points shall we and 100 goals? Yes, Balotelli and De Jong have gone now but they've been more than replaced. Garcia, Negredo, Jovetic, Fernandinho and Navas add up to a sum greater than Balotelli and De Jong, quite easily so actually. This is a squad stronger than the one that SHOULD have, according to Mancini's critics, won the title with 95 points. There's no doubt in my mind that this is a better squad than the one that won the title. So this squad should be capable of more than 100 points when a manager is put in charge who can get the best out of his players.

This is the flip side of thinking Mancini was shit. His successor has to do more with the same squad. Right now I'm hearing we shouldn't expect more WITH MORE. Right, well shut the fuck up about Mancini then you numbskulls because there's clearly some panic that Pellegrini might not be able to better Mancini's record, with what is already a better squad.

1. I don't recall people saying that Mancini underachieved in winning the title, rather that we underachieved the season after. The reason for that was that an increasing number of teams cottoned on to our preferred MO and started setting themselves up to thwart us, and we were repeatedly found to have no answers (even to the point of playing the same opponents 3 weeks apart, failing to heed the warnings of the first of those encounters and losing an FA Cup final as a consequence).
2. Despite having the strongest squad in the league, we finished that season 10 points behind the rags. There was little indication that the manager was on an upward learning curve (and particularly in Europe), and from a man management point of view, he was increasingly becoming a deleterious influence on the morale in the squad. The Board (ie the people best placed) saw it the same way.
3. The current squad is better than the title winning one? Is it though? Is Negredo an upgrade on Balotelli? No. Is Fernandinho an upgrade on the Gareth Barry of 2011/2012? No. Is Jovetic an upgrade on Tevez? No. The only clear area of improvement is surely Navas for Adam Johnson, although even AJ made several significant contributions to that title winning side.
4. When illogically reasoning that the current squad should be capable of reaching 100 points, you are failing to take into account the significant improvements in a number of other squads, most notably Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool, but also sides like Swansea and Southampton have been able to invest significant sums of money and will be far harder to beat than they were 2 years ago. Football doesn't stand still to allow arbitrary comparisons to take place.
5. Pellegrini is a mere 2 games into his reign, and those who rubbished both the notion of Mancini being fired and those advocating that notion, clearly can't get over the fact that Khaldoon & Co (and again, the people best placed to decide) didn't share their views. What was it they accused the 'outers' of at the time? Wanting Mancini to fail so they could be proven right? I see little difference in some of the digs taking place now the roles have been reversed.
6. Bar one or two individuals, no-one said Mancini was shit. I certainly didn't. I thought he was a good manager, but crucially one with limitations which were becoming ever more readily apparent. If Pellegrini fails to deliver this season, and on the very early evidence to date I'd say he well might, particularly if he continues to persist with a high defensive line when his centre halves aren't remotely quick enough to make it work, then so be it. It does not make the decision to appoint him wrong, as based on last season's intransigence, there is little evidence to suggest Mancini wouldn't have fallen short too.
7. Pellegrini is the City manager. Get over it, and get behind him

This to me is the most worrying aspect. Tevez and Balo look like they´ll have stormers for their respective new clubs and Barry is vastly undervalued by Pelle and could regret offloading him.
The real imponderable is how much more in terms of performances can Pelle extract from his stellar players - 10/20 % more than Bob? Can he get the type of gut busting, commited and unified displays such as the Chavs last night , WEEK IN WEEK OUT?
Time will tell but as you rightly say for now we must rally behind him as should the whole squad, but I would like to see a few good pointers starting lunchtime today
 
Skashion said:
cleavers said:
I'm not sure why that makes any difference, what the fanbase thinks doesn't matter a jot, its what those who own and run the club think, and they didn't support him, which is why he's gone.
Did you bother to read the post I was responding to? It was a direct rebuttal of GDM's post of the implied idea that Mancini split the fans and he was loved and hated. He didn't. By and large we supported him. It is you who has connected to him getting sacked. I made no such connection at all.
Yes, and your reply inferred (to me anyway) that because the fanbase largely supported him, he should still be here.
 
cleavers said:
Skashion said:
FantasyIreland said:
I'm of the opinion Mancini spent more than enough during his reign for us not to require the surgery that is still required.

In summary,he didn't make the best of his budget and I didn't trust him to spend any more,it seems the club felt the same way.
I must be living in some parallel universe where Mancini didn't take us from sixth to first. From not winning trophies to winning trophies. That's where that money went. It went into moving us forward. I want the same from Pellegrini.
Then why not look forwards instead of backwards ?

'Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it'.
George Santayana.
The point being that we need to know where we've been to understand where we're going.
Or something like that.
 
cleavers said:
Skashion said:
cleavers said:
Yes, and your reply inferred (to me anyway) that because the fanbase largely supported him, he should still be here.
Well you ought to learn to read then. Well, comprehension lessons anyway.
I'll book myself some lessons immediately.
Excellent, I am available and my rates are very competitive; one beer an hour.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
All this bollocks about giving the new manager time is just utter crap. 80million spent,I expect to be winning winning the league this season and getting out of the group stage.If not then the whole excercise of sacking Mancini IMHO was just pointless and he should have been backed last summer in the proper manner. The "transitional season" apologists will just use those words but in all reality the league is the minimum this season.

Again, you should really wipe your mouth off. All the foamy white stuff makes you look a little demented.

Anyway...Looking forward to a thumping good performance later.

Course you are. Everyone believes you when you say you're right behind the new manager. It's not like you give the impression you're bitter about the fact Mancini's was sacked.

Some need a quick reminder.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/2013/May/Club-statement-13-May-2013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/20 ... 3-May-2013</a>
 
Skashion said:
cleavers said:
Skashion said:
Well you ought to learn to read then. Well, comprehension lessons anyway.
I'll book myself some lessons immediately.
Excellent, I am available and my rates are very competitive; one beer an hour.
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