Discuss Pellegrini

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

My main problem with MP has always been that he´s clearly NOT a winner - zilch, zip, not a sausage, bugger all in terms of European football. Even Woy won stuff in Italy and Sweden.
The PL is knowing how to win and clearly he is deficient in this aspect. As much as I wanted Bob to be replaced MP was never imo the big money shot that was required. Pellegrini has always (Madrid apart) had success with modest teams punching above their weight. Why? Two things. The likes of Villarreal and Malaga had, have had and will always have fook all pressure on them to succeed. They don´t have a single trophy between them thus they have been able to play with freedom. Secondly no big names, no marquee players, prima donnas, just honest good hard working pros with the right attitude and a reasonable level of technical ability. A players manager like MP can get very far on that especially in a competition like the CL where a kind draw can provide a pathway to greater things.
I was under the impression he was a man manager, a motivator but looking at the performances of Yaya and Silva recently it makes you wonder. Or is it the formation? If so why hasn´t he seen what all of us clearly can that Yaya´s days as a holding mid are well behind him. He, Silva and Jovetic imho should be tearing up defences whilst Fern plus any of the other DM candidates should be sweeping up , protecting the back four and feeding the aforementioned triumverate with the ammo required to seek and destroy using one of the strikers up top. Maybe he´s tinkering , maybe he hasn´t stumbled upon it yet , maybe he lacks the leadership of VK on the field but something HAS to change PDQ. Looking at the derby it has all the makings of a stalemate. Perhaps we need a bit of siege mentality thinking to get our dander up and the juices flowing and there´s nothing like bringing on the rags under these circumstances to help put the fireworks back into our season
The next two weeks are going to be interesting. Very interesting

Haven't they told you mate...its a transitional season.

 

[Pam]

Just to play devils advocate here but if Jose can return to Chelsea then it's not really impossible to suggest that a certain Italian could prowl the touch line of mcfc once again


Just sayin

And we've reached the bottom of the barrel.

For once i agree. I didn't want him to go but there's no going back.

Before you all poo poo this, just remember what almost happened at the end of Bobby's first six months in the job. He nearly went back to Inter with Jose coming the other way. And as for comments about how "there's no going back", people need to say why they think this.

 

[Lavinda Past]

We shaft the best manager in our history for this fucking shite. Anyone who says Bobby would have tolerated three successive performances epic can't be arsed bullshit is a liar

^^^ This 100% ^^^

 

[CityReg]

it's not a decision made on four games. i never wanted pellegrini. i wanted a chance from Roberto as much as i loved the dictator, but pellegrini has won nothing in his time. mancini was a winner.

 

[SkyBlueUSA]

More like a grandad who puts his arm around you rather than a football winner. Im willing to bet we dont get top four with this halfwit.
Lets give him ten games hey...we will be that far behind it wont matter..

I don't want to sound the panic alarm, I'm optimistic for the most part. However, imagine if we failed to get top 4, and barley snuck a Round of 16 appearance or didn't get out of the group? I can't see Pellegrini being back for another season if that happened. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.. I wonder what will happen if we have a very poor league campaign, but do surprisingly well in the Champions league-QF appearance?

 

[simon23]

My main problem with MP has always been that he´s clearly NOT a winner - zilch, zip, not a sausage, bugger all in terms of European football. Even Woy won stuff in Italy and Sweden.
The PL is knowing how to win and clearly he is deficient in this aspect. As much as I wanted Bob to be replaced MP was never imo the big money shot that was required. Pellegrini has always (Madrid apart) had success with modest teams punching above their weight. Why? Two things. The likes of Villarreal and Malaga had, have had and will always have fook all pressure on them to succeed. They don´t have a single trophy between them thus they have been able to play with freedom. Secondly no big names, no marquee players, prima donnas, just honest good hard working pros with the right attitude and a reasonable level of technical ability. A players manager like MP can get very far on that especially in a competition like the CL where a kind draw can provide a pathway to greater things.
I was under the impression he was a man manager, a motivator but looking at the performances of Yaya and Silva recently it makes you wonder. Or is it the formation? If so why hasn´t he seen what all of us clearly can that Yaya´s days as a holding mid are well behind him. He, Silva and Jovetic imho should be tearing up defences whilst Fern plus any of the other DM candidates should be sweeping up , protecting the back four and feeding the aforementioned triumverate with the ammo required to seek and destroy using one of the strikers up top. Maybe he´s tinkering , maybe he hasn´t stumbled upon it yet , maybe he lacks the leadership of VK on the field but something HAS to change PDQ. Looking at the derby it has all the makings of a stalemate. Perhaps we need a bit of siege mentality thinking to get our dander up and the juices flowing and there´s nothing like bringing on the rags under these circumstances to help put the fireworks back into our season
The next two weeks are going to be interesting. Very interesting

I think you are spot on with the tactical analysis but about yaya...been saying the same for ages.....the defensive duties should be left to ferd/rodwell<br /><br />-- Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:14 pm --<br /><br />

Needs to be given time. Making judgements after 4 games is stupid. For those not over RM, time to get over it.

for a lot of people it has nothing to do with RM........from my point of vew its all abuot what im seeing on the field of play (that is all i care about) and there are glaring errors there...yes we have been hit by injuries but there were danger signs in the hull and cardiff games aboutt he way he sets up his team (the shape) and they were there again today.....huge gaps in front of our back 4, a flat midfield and lots of sideways passing and nothing creative at all....we are playing a 4-4-2 and albeit fluid its still a poor system

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Needs to be given time. Making judgements after 4 games is stupid. For those not over RM, time to get over it.

You've obviously not got over Bobby or you wouldn't be rattling on about Mancini.

Everyone needs to get behind MP, especially with the Rags next in the league

 

[RandomJ]

It's the "arm round the players" thing that really confuses me. If you think back to your school days if you had a strict teacher there would be no talking or messing around you just got on with your work but if you got one of those useless teachers who tried to be your mate you'd take advantage and piss about and get nothing done.

The reason Mancini was so vocal about his players was because the useless twats were just not putting in a shift and for the money they get each week that is disgusting and so rightly so they should be criticised. How is Pellegrini being their mate going to inspire them to play better when there is no consequences for playing shit? No doubt they went into the changing room at full time, Pellegrini gave them all a hug and said they were unlucky today and the players just pissed off home.

 

[davymcfc]

We shaft the best manager in our history for this fucking shite. Anyone who says Bobby would have tolerated three successive performances epic can't be arsed bullshit is a liar

^^^ This 100% ^^^

These are the results from the start of last season.

City 3 Southampton 2
Liverpool 2 city 2
City 3 QPR 1
Stoke 1 city 1
Real Madrid 3 city 2
City 1 arsenal 1

We didn't play particularly well in any of these matches although we were very unlucky in madrid. This was with a team that Mancini had taken three years to establish and had just won the premier league. Unfortunately things didn't get much better last season. Here's another run of three games.

QPR 0 city 0
City 2 Liverpool 2
Southampton 3 city 1

Anyone who says it was a bed of roses under Mancini is also a liar.

 

[cucumberman]

Any post match interviews? Would be interesting to listen to what Pellers say.