Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[Paulmcfc2703]

I have seen many WUM's and trolls on this forum but it seems the city official Twitter page is one of the biggest on the net.

Asking fans to vote Pellers as manager of the year. The piss taking bastards!

Imagine if he wins and the board decide to keep him

Great point, he'll win it easy if that's the case as the rag/Chelsea/arsenal fans will be voting for him!

 

[mosssideblue]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

This is probably the first year in his mangerial career where he has several key players wantingly not turning up on a regular basis. Would any other manager have coped and have us challenging for the title this year under those circumstances - I dont see how they could.

Drop the players would be the obvious retort, but our strength in depth is a myth. I suspect also the key cohorts would putting a shift in during the week and then set out to shaft the manager on match day.

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

This is probably the first year in his mangerial career where he has several key players wantingly not turning up on a regular basis. Would any other manager have coped and have us challenging for the title this year under those circumstances - I dont see how they could.

Drop the players would be the obvious retort, but our strength in depth is a myth. I suspect also the key cohorts would putting a shift in during the week and then set out to shaft the manager on match day.

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

 

[blueinsa]

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

This is probably the first year in his mangerial career where he has several key players wantingly not turning up on a regular basis. Would any other manager have coped and have us challenging for the title this year under those circumstances - I dont see how they could.

Drop the players would be the obvious retort, but our strength in depth is a myth. I suspect also the key cohorts would putting a shift in during the week and then set out to shaft the manager on match day.

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

 

[hgblue]

This is probably the first year in his mangerial career where he has several key players wantingly not turning up on a regular basis. Would any other manager have coped and have us challenging for the title this year under those circumstances - I dont see how they could.

Drop the players would be the obvious retort, but our strength in depth is a myth. I suspect also the key cohorts would putting a shift in during the week and then set out to shaft the manager on match day.

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

Here's the thing, every professional footballer should turn up every week and give 100% to the cause, they should put aside their personal opinion about the tactics employed by the manager, and their form shouldn't be affected by past disagreements. However, players might be highly paid but they are human beings at the end of the day, and they do need motivating and they need to believe in what the manager is asking them to do in order to produce their best. This is why top managers are so well paid and tend to consistently get the best out of each group of players they manage. It's not just a case of turning up, pinning the team sheet up, and saying off you go lads. A smart manager understands what makes each player tick, and will adapt his tactics in order to maximise the performance level of every member of the team. For example, what are Yaya's strengths and weaknesses? Watch the derby back again and tell me that Pellegrini used Yaya in a way that allowed him to produce his best. One example plucked at random from the many tactical issues there have been with the manager this season. What happens after a while is the players lose faith in what the manager is asking them to do and collective performance levels drop. This is what has happened to us this season imo, and the time has come for us to appoint a younger, more tactically adept manager, who can get the maximum out of the players available to him. Time to stop trying to be too clever and appoint a manager who strikes fear into opposing teams supporters and not a nice guy who everybody likes, but doesn't fear.

 

[BillyShears]

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

I think whatever happens we can rest assured that those players who have taken the piss this season will be fucked off in the summer, and those who are left will be left in no doubt as to what the expectations of the club are moving forward.

Having followed Pellegrini's career since his days at Villarreal I have to say that I agree it's the first time where one of his teams aren't really playing for him. Then again, it's not really his team. They're mostly Mancini's and Hughes's players. Something which people often forget. That could well be his saving grace come the summer. Abu Dhabi might want to give him a season with his own set of players.

 

[blueinsa]

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

Here's the thing, every professional footballer should turn up every week and give 100% to the cause, they should put aside their personal opinion about the tactics employed by the manager, and their form shouldn't be affected by past disagreements. However, players might be highly paid but they are human beings at the end of the day, and they do need motivating and they need to believe in what the manager is asking them to do in order to produce their best. This is why top managers are so well paid and tend to consistently get the best out of each group of players they manage. It's not just a case of turning up, pinning the team sheet up, and saying off you go lads. A smart manager understands what makes each player tick, and will adapt his tactics in order to maximise the performance level of every member of the team. For example, what are Yaya's strengths and weaknesses? Watch the derby back again and tell me that Pellegrini used Yaya in a way that allowed him to produce his best. One example plucked at random from the many tactical issues there have been with the manager this season. What happens after a while is the players lose faith in what the manager is asking them to do and collective performance levels drop. This is what has happened to us this season imo, and the time has come for us to appoint a younger, more tactically adept manager, who can get the maximum out of the players available to him. Time to stop trying to be too clever and appoint a manager who strikes fear into opposing teams supporters and not a nice guy who everybody likes, but doesn't fear.

If this was a one off, I would be 100% in agreement with you but for the core of this squad, its the second time they have lost "faith" in a managers systems and ways of working, two very different man managers with differing tactical approaches and its completely unforgivable given the talent they possess and the money they get paid by our club to perform.

You highlight Yaya but we are in danger of listening to his agent and thinking he is something special and a player who shouldn't be asked to do any dirty work. Yaya can run perfectly well when he can be arsed and too many times this season he just cant be fucking arsed imo.

Pellegrini will go now imo and rightly so as the cycle of this team and this squad is over for me and we have to rebuild for the next 5 years but so too do a few players who have not only let firstly Bob and now Pellegrini down, but also us, the fans.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is probably the first year in his mangerial career where he has several key players wantingly not turning up on a regular basis. Would any other manager have coped and have us challenging for the title this year under those circumstances - I dont see how they could.

Drop the players would be the obvious retort, but our strength in depth is a myth. I suspect also the key cohorts would putting a shift in during the week and then set out to shaft the manager on match day.

I think we perhaps do need a change, but I will not be sorry if Pellers remains next year. I just hope between him and the board, they act without any sympathy on the players who are doing this club damage either on the pitch or behind the scenes.

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

The players have to have faith and belief in what they are being asked to do. Odd things stick out for me. Kompany's comments after the CC final about the way we play and at least the fans will enjoy it. Milner before a CL game who insisted they were trying but they were doing what they were asked to do. All this season there has been an uncertainty and lack of 'trust' (to use Pellers words) and it has culminated in a shocking run of form over the last few months.

Now you can blame the players or Pellers or both but ultimately it is a failure of management when the employees don't deliver because it is managments job to ensure they deliver and to get the best out of what you have got. What is frustrating me most is that I am not seeing any leadership or management solutions to our current malaise and I have little confidence in them going forward.

The squad and players are flat, management looks lost and the fans are in low spirits. We need an injection of confidence, someone to take the lead and reignite the squad and right now I don't see that man as being Pellers.

 

[OB1]

going to all that trouble and not one fucker has replied.

Stinker!

I replied but didn't quote the original post :-)

 

[mosssideblue]

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

The players have to have faith and belief in what they are being asked to do. Odd things stick out for me. Kompany's comments after the CC final about the way we play and at least the fans will enjoy it. Milner before a CL game who insisted they were trying but they were doing what they were asked to do. All this season there has been an uncertainty and lack of 'trust' (to use Pellers words) and it has culminated in a shocking run of form over the last few months.

Now you can blame the players or Pellers or both but ultimately it is a failure of management when the employees don't deliver because it is managments job to ensure they deliver and to get the best out of what you have got. What is frustrating me most is that I am not seeing any leadership or management solutions to our current malaise and I have little confidence in them going forward.

The squad and players are flat, management looks lost and the fans are in low spirits. We need an injection of confidence, someone to take the lead and reignite the squad and right now I don't see that man as being Pellers.

On current performances than, you must be including Vinnie as well as being the issue too as management and leadership do not remain on the touchline. (or is he bullet proof?)

From where I see it, last year everyone was enjoying our performances, scoring for fun and blowing teams away. This season, we now face a different opposition, one that isn't willing to trade punches, but would rather go for the sucker punch. If Pellers hasn't adapted to that, neither have the players. Pellers has the skill set to put out what he thinks is the right way to break these teams down and expects the players to discharge that tactic. A lot of ur team have struggled in this excution and rather than put a shift in and try and execute the plan, they would rather down tools and then blame the manager.

 

[OB1]

i doubt the players have any confidence in the system he uses for certain games and in the team selections, i know i certainly havent

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

The players have to have faith and belief in what they are being asked to do. Odd things stick out for me. Kompany's comments after the CC final about the way we play and at least the fans will enjoy it. Milner before a CL game who insisted they were trying but they were doing what they were asked to do. All this season there has been an uncertainty and lack of 'trust' (to use Pellers words) and it has culminated in a shocking run of form over the last few months.

Now you can blame the players or Pellers or both but ultimately it is a failure of management when the employees don't deliver because it is managments job to ensure they deliver and to get the best out of what you have got. What is frustrating me most is that I am not seeing any leadership or management solutions to our current malaise and I have little confidence in them going forward.

The squad and players are flat, management looks lost and the fans are in low spirits. We need an injection of confidence, someone to take the lead and reignite the squad and right now I don't see that man as being Pellers.

From the outside it is hard to know exactly what the issue is but it does seem like the players find the way in which Pellegrini asks them to play hard; especially for our defenders. Mind you, winning titles is never going to be easy.

I would love to know if there has been a dialogue between players and manager if they are unhappy with tactics and formation and whether or not Pellegrini has adapted anything to meet concerns that might have been expressed?

In very simplistic terms, I do not subscribe to the idea that our players should need motivating: we should be employing winners who are highly self motivated by the desire to crush every fucking opponent standing between them and the trophies. The manager's job then should be about not demotivating his players. Continually asking players to do things that they are not really capable of or to play in a way that they do not believe in would likely demotivate some.

What frustrates is that we won two trophies last season playing entertaining football so you have to ask why that approach would cause players such a problem? I happen to think if that is not something our players enjoy, they really should go elsewhere. That does not mean the manager should not have been more flexible, if that is what was required, in the interim.

I still think we need new players more than a new manager but a bit of a clean sweep all round and the start of new cycle - as blueinsa mentions - may be the best way to go. That's why, if we cannot get Pep, I would be happy enough to see someone like De Boer come in. I actually have more confidence that he would do the required job over the cycle than Klopp but - and this may be the wrong approach - Klopp's personality does look so well suited to City and I would hope he is a smart enough and progressive enough coach to develop a more possession based version of the Dortmund we saw at the Etihad.

 

[GoMancini7]

I dont like Pelle and hope he goes soon but liked how he played a little mind game when he said something like this:

"Our owner is a serious man. Soriano/Txiki are very serious too. They dont fire you if you have a bad season. We had two trophies last time, zero this time, but that doesnt make you fired at this club."

So if he maybe gets fired despite the serious men above him, are they not so serious?:)

 

[BobKowalski]

Thats not for the players to decide though is it?

Hows about they just get on with it and give 100%?

The players have to have faith and belief in what they are being asked to do. Odd things stick out for me. Kompany's comments after the CC final about the way we play and at least the fans will enjoy it. Milner before a CL game who insisted they were trying but they were doing what they were asked to do. All this season there has been an uncertainty and lack of 'trust' (to use Pellers words) and it has culminated in a shocking run of form over the last few months.

Now you can blame the players or Pellers or both but ultimately it is a failure of management when the employees don't deliver because it is managments job to ensure they deliver and to get the best out of what you have got. What is frustrating me most is that I am not seeing any leadership or management solutions to our current malaise and I have little confidence in them going forward.

The squad and players are flat, management looks lost and the fans are in low spirits. We need an injection of confidence, someone to take the lead and reignite the squad and right now I don't see that man as being Pellers.

From the outside it is hard to know exactly what the issue is but it does seem like the players find the way in which Pellegrini asks them to play hard; especially for our defenders. Mind you, winning titles is never going to be easy.

I would love to know if there has been a dialogue between players and manager if they are unhappy with tactics and formation and whether or not Pellegrini has adapted anything to meet concerns that might have been expressed?

In very simplistic terms, I do not subscribe to the idea that our players should need motivating: we should be employing winners who are highly self motivated by the desire to crush every fucking opponent standing between them and the trophies. The manager's job then should be about not demotivating his players. Continually asking players to do things that they are not really capable of or to play in a way that they do not believe in would likely demotivate some.

What frustrates is that we won two trophies last season playing entertaining football so you have to ask why that approach would cause players such a problem? I happen to think if that is not something our players enjoy, they really should go elsewhere. That does not mean the manager should not have been more flexible, if that is what was required, in the interim.

I still think we need new players more than a new manager but a bit of a clean sweep all round and the start of new cycle - as blueinsa mentions - may be the best way to go. That's why, if we cannot get Pep, I would be happy enough to see someone like De Boer come in. I actually have more confidence that he would do the required job over the cycle than Klopp but - and this may be the wrong approach - Klopp's personality does look so well suited to City and I would hope he is a smart enough and progressive enough coach to develop a more possession based version of the Dortmund we saw at the Etihad.

I largely agree with you here. I would be fascinated to hear what has led to this collapse in recent months although I doubt if we will as there is no political gain for the club to air any dirty laundry this time round. I enjoyed last season but was never entirely convinced by the approach - hence our discussions on defensive frailties (perceived or otherwise) last year - but we won the title so who cares if we didn't control games as we should or our record against the top sides was underwhelming.

Personally this season I think its a lot of chickens coming home to roost and Pellers inability or unwillingness to engage tactically and be pro active in a match (his in game management was another criticism I had last season) means I cannot see him being here next season, although I thought he was off several months back anyway. Secure a top 3 finish then we can safely count Pellers tenure as a solid success. Right now I am tad pissed off that he has let it get to the stage where we are lying 4th and made a hash of the season to date.

All I want now - what we all want now - is a strong finish to the season and a top three spot and then take stock in the summer. I rate Txiki to oversee what needs to be done if only because he knows he cant get it wrong without putting his own position on the line.

 

[gazbaz]

I dont like Pelle and hope he goes soon but liked how he played a little mind game when he said something like this:

"Our owner is a serious man. Soriano/Txiki are very serious too. They dont fire you if you have a bad season. We had two trophies last time, zero this time, but that doesnt make you fired at this club."

So if he maybe gets fired despite the serious men above him, are they not so serious?:)

I am sure that our previous manager said something very similar to this once.

 

[Ray78]

We aren't going to a definitve answer on whether or not he will be in charge for a third season as we don't know what targets he had been set at the end of last season due to the 'pinch'. Maybe the main target of 5 trophies in 5 years has not changed (that is some indication that if both the club and Pellers himself is happy with the job and the club then there is a chance of a contract extension regardless of the Guardiola factor imo). If he is in charge next season then Pellers has to win a couple more next season to remain on target and with the added one of him negotiating a two legged Champions League play off game if we finish this season 4th.

 

[fbloke]

The board have painted themselves into a corner with the manager and to a certain extent, the playing squad.

Most of it was foreseable and could be planned for, it hasnt been.

The thing that has brought it all into such sharp focus is the almost cowardly performances we have seen in 'defence' of our title.

 

[OB1]

The players have to have faith and belief in what they are being asked to do. Odd things stick out for me. Kompany's comments after the CC final about the way we play and at least the fans will enjoy it. Milner before a CL game who insisted they were trying but they were doing what they were asked to do. All this season there has been an uncertainty and lack of 'trust' (to use Pellers words) and it has culminated in a shocking run of form over the last few months.

Now you can blame the players or Pellers or both but ultimately it is a failure of management when the employees don't deliver because it is managments job to ensure they deliver and to get the best out of what you have got. What is frustrating me most is that I am not seeing any leadership or management solutions to our current malaise and I have little confidence in them going forward.

The squad and players are flat, management looks lost and the fans are in low spirits. We need an injection of confidence, someone to take the lead and reignite the squad and right now I don't see that man as being Pellers.

From the outside it is hard to know exactly what the issue is but it does seem like the players find the way in which Pellegrini asks them to play hard; especially for our defenders. Mind you, winning titles is never going to be easy.

I would love to know if there has been a dialogue between players and manager if they are unhappy with tactics and formation and whether or not Pellegrini has adapted anything to meet concerns that might have been expressed?

In very simplistic terms, I do not subscribe to the idea that our players should need motivating: we should be employing winners who are highly self motivated by the desire to crush every fucking opponent standing between them and the trophies. The manager's job then should be about not demotivating his players. Continually asking players to do things that they are not really capable of or to play in a way that they do not believe in would likely demotivate some.

What frustrates is that we won two trophies last season playing entertaining football so you have to ask why that approach would cause players such a problem? I happen to think if that is not something our players enjoy, they really should go elsewhere. That does not mean the manager should not have been more flexible, if that is what was required, in the interim.

I still think we need new players more than a new manager but a bit of a clean sweep all round and the start of new cycle - as blueinsa mentions - may be the best way to go. That's why, if we cannot get Pep, I would be happy enough to see someone like De Boer come in. I actually have more confidence that he would do the required job over the cycle than Klopp but - and this may be the wrong approach - Klopp's personality does look so well suited to City and I would hope he is a smart enough and progressive enough coach to develop a more possession based version of the Dortmund we saw at the Etihad.

I largely agree with you here. I would be fascinated to hear what has led to this collapse in recent months although I doubt if we will as there is no political gain for the club to air any dirty laundry this time round. I enjoyed last season but was never entirely convinced by the approach - hence our discussions on defensive frailties (perceived or otherwise) last year - but we won the title so who cares if we didn't control games as we should or our record against the top sides was underwhelming.

Personally this season I think its a lot of chickens coming home to roost and Pellers inability or unwillingness to engage tactically and be pro active in a match (his in game management was another criticism I had last season) means I cannot see him being here next season, although I thought he was off several months back anyway. Secure a top 3 finish then we can safely count Pellers tenure as a solid success. Right now I am tad pissed off that he has let it get to the stage where we are lying 4th and made a hash of the season to date.

All I want now - what we all want now - is a strong finish to the season and a top three spot and then take stock in the summer. I rate Txiki to oversee what needs to be done if only because he knows he cant get it wrong without putting his own position on the line.

If chickens have come home to roost, I still, by and large, don't see it as Pellegrini's chickens. I think the criticism about in game management is fair and is a reflection of Pellegrini's chosen approach and is never going to change. I would prefer he took a different tack but understand where he is coming from and can live with that. The major criticism of him that I tend to agree with is the failure to change the starting formation to one that gives more protection down the middle i.e having three central midfielders.

I understand where you are coming from on control but we have a different view here. Even in this disappointing season, with five games left, we continue to top the possession charts (although I would like our percentage to be 10 points higher) and, I know you love this, we currently average the fewest shots against our goal whilst having the most at t'other end. We have plenty of control but we are not being efficient enough in our opponents' final third and we are conceded from too high a percentage of our opponents' chances. When our control does break is seems to break badly; part of that may be blamed on the system but a lot comes back to too many errors from players.

What is for sure is that Pellers has not found the answers and it may well cost him his job. I hope though that he and the players find some answers for the run-in.

 

[emiratblu]

Think about the true dilemma this summer
We want to rebuild and buy some of the best youngsters in the world
How do we get them to sign, what do we tell them about the managers views, what do we tell them about the manager?
Do we lie?
Dial Emma in its truest form. I can see the real talent looking for stability and a planned future, telling the prospective signings we are keeping Pellers because we have our fingers crossed with Pep doesn't stack up
Bottom line unless there is a decision on the manager this summer don't bank on us buying top drawer.
Could be a worrying 12 months

 

[BobKowalski]

I understand where you are coming from on control but we have a different view here. Even in this disappointing season, with five games left, we continue to top the possession charts (although I would like our percentage to be 10 points higher) and, I know you love this, we currently average the fewest shots against our goal whilst having the most at t'other end. We have plenty of control but we are not being efficient enough in our opponents' final third and we are conceded from too high a percentage of our opponents' chances. When our control does break is seems to break badly; part of that may be blamed on the system but a lot comes back to too many errors from players.

What is for sure is that Pellers has not found the answers and it may well cost him his job. I hope though that he and the players find some answers for the run-in.

I may love it but there is no way I am going another round or three on fewest shots conceded/most shots for argument...think we will agree to disagree and leave it there :)

And yes I hope to God we have found some answers for the run-in.

 

[baildon blue]

Pellergrini lost interest in February .
After that argument with Soriano .
Before the Newcastle match .
That spat pissed off Pellergrini .
And he's not been arsed since then .
Pellergrini knows he will get another job in another country .