Do you support ASLEF (train drivers union) strikes?

oldius said:
I absolutely support the right to strike and, if you do, it is hard not to support the current strike action.
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Two things that occur to me

1/ what happens if they change legislation a union does NOT call a strike but loads of people en-masse get together and decide just not to go in the next day? Who gets the blame then?

2/ minimum level of service is going to be really tough for them to define because most of what you are dealing with such as A&E wait times, trans Pennine trains and so on are within their control and are failing so they are looking at setting a minimum level that is way below what should be accepted which leaves them open to challenges from groups representing patients, rail travellers etc in the courts. Once again a desperate bid to feed red meat is ill thought out and could simply get Sunak deeper in the shit
 
Remind me how this works - paying public workers more is inflationary

lifting the cap on bankers bonuses and this isn't? This is obscene - makes it look like Ronaldo should have been claiming in work benefits

www.bbc.co.uk

Bet365 gambling boss earns £213m in one year

Denise Coates is one of the richest women in Britain, having founded the firm in Stoke-on-Trent.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
Two things that occur to me

1/ what happens if they change legislation a union does NOT call a strike but loads of people en-masse get together and decide just not to go in the next day? Who gets the blame then?

2/ minimum level of service is going to be really tough for them to define because most of what you are dealing with such as A&E wait times, trans Pennine trains and so on are within their control and are failing so they are looking at setting a minimum level that is way below what should be accepted which leaves them open to challenges from groups representing patients, rail travellers etc in the courts. Once again a desperate bid to feed red meat is ill thought out and could simply get Sunak deeper in the shit
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Nothing could be done.
And, you are correct - he is desperately trying to appeal to his public. I think that this is the biggest problem in politics - winning is all and conviction and integrity come second.
 
Received this yesterday from Aslef:


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Dear XXXX,

Today, with Simon Weller, assistant general secretary, and Andy Hudd, EC vice-president, I met the Rail Minister, Huw Merriman, for an hour at Great Minster House. He told us he wanted to ‘facilitate’ a resolution to the pay dispute we have with 15 TOCs. This meeting had been in everyone’s diaries for some time and pre-dated the RDG’s offer.

We told him that the ‘offer’ leaked to the press earlier last week was done in a way that was utterly reprehensible. After six and a half months waiting for a response to our reasonable request for an increase in pay for our members who have not had one since 2019, the RDG sent out an offer at the end of play on Friday and released elements to the press and media before we had even seen it.

They did not have the professional or personal courtesy to let us know it was coming, and ensured that we would not have time to properly consider it and respond.

We told the minister this morning – and Steve Montgomery and Andy Meadows, representing the RDG, who were also in the room – that if the government thinks it can negotiate with us via the pages of The Sun or the Daily Mail and make an offer that is really a sleight of hand then they are very much mistaken.

That offer will now be dealt with by the EC at its scheduled session on Monday 16 January.

Yours in solidarity,
Mick Whelan
General Secretary
 
Zubrman said:
How about this for shit-stirring:

www.bbc.co.uk

Train drivers offered pay rise in bid to end strikes

The Rail Delivery Group says its offer would see wages for drivers rise by £5,000 by the end of 2023.
www.bbc.co.uk

And this text message to me from Aslef:

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Not involving the unions in train crew rostering is unlikely to improve reliability. Managers and union reps working together means rosters work.

Mind you, my knowledge of that goes back to the days when the "fireman" role was being phased out, when the transitional agreement was you had to have a second man in the cab of a diesel or electric locomotive if it was a non stop journey of over two hours - which is why some Euston-Manchester trains stopped at Crewe, as that meant you only needed one man even though the whole journey took longer than if not stopping at Crewe.

I think the point still stands - getting "ownership" by the workforce is still the best way for managers to manage.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Two things that occur to me

1/ what happens if they change legislation a union does NOT call a strike but loads of people en-masse get together and decide just not to go in the next day? Who gets the blame then?

2/ minimum level of service is going to be really tough for them to define because most of what you are dealing with such as A&E wait times, trans Pennine trains and so on are within their control and are failing so they are looking at setting a minimum level that is way below what should be accepted which leaves them open to challenges from groups representing patients, rail travellers etc in the courts. Once again a desperate bid to feed red meat is ill thought out and could simply get Sunak deeper in the shit
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The same govt has rejected minimum service legislation for hospital wards last year as a way around staff shortages so they will be digging a hole for themselves.
If I was forced to break my own unions strike and go to work I'm not sure it would be my most productive day - might even feel a bit Ill and have to go home early ;-)
 
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