Do you support the RMT?

Johnny Mars Bar said:
I understand that for a role that requires a lot of technical training and involves being in control of people’s lives every day, it’s maybe a modest salary.

But it is double the average UK wage.

Not saying they don’t deserve the pay rise but my personal sympathy is probably more with people working their arses off in lower paid jobs.
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It then becomes a race to the bottom mate. If we compare everyone’s salary to the averages then they know they just have to keep paying the lowest quartile the square root of fuck all to not pay the nurses, teachers, fire etc etc a decent wage for the work they do.

When I first started working the average salary could afford the mortgage on an average house. Now you’ve got to be in the top 10%. Our welfare bill is through the roof because tax payers subsidise shit wages which gives companies a free hand to pay them buttons. Its not sustainable, pay does need to rise, especially at the lower end.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Without the politics and union arguments, how much does a train driver actually make? I’ve read wildly different numbers.

Say a driver who’s been at it for 5 years and drives a bog standard northern rail type commuter train.

Obvs the main line high speed train drivers get paid more (I’d assume)
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53k in the company I work for. That's after 2 years "apprenticeship" rate of 26k.

Which is another loophole the government should shut as tocs gets 6 grand per employee from the government for each staff member on the "apprenticeship".
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I understand that for a role that requires a lot of technical training and involves being in control of people’s lives every day, it’s maybe a modest salary.

But it is double the average UK wage.

Not saying they don’t deserve the pay rise but my personal sympathy is probably more with people working their arses off in lower paid jobs.
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Driving a high tonnage train with hundreds of passengers at speeds of over 100 mph. Whilst having to retain route knowledge to know exactly where you are at anytime in case of emergency. Along with basic mechanical training for fixing trains on the go.

They are worth every penny.

If more industries had strong unions we might all be living comfortably.
 
I am not a railwayman, so I feel the people concerned should sort matters out without my ‘help’. So, in the words of Tim Walz, I mind my own damn business. Tbf, I know nothing about these disputes and my opinion is thus worthless.
 
The RMT has confirmed it will enter pay talks next week with the Department for Transport, which will negotiate on behalf of the train operating companies. It will also have talks with Network Rail.

Under the terms of a deal brokered last November, RMT members, such as train guards, were offered a backdated 5% rise for 2022/23, the same as that offered to Aslef members under their three-year deal.

The RMT deal said a 2023/24 pay offer would depend on formal negotiations with individual train companies on working conditions.

It is understood the agreement included a commitment to negotiate reforms at a local level for an expected 4% rise this year.

That amount would be below the 4.75% offered to Aslef drivers for that year as part of the deal to settle their dispute. Drivers have also been offered 4.5% for this year, which would take the average driver salary to around £68,000.

Mr Lynch told the Times: "All the indications are that we will be offered the same terms as Aslef. And we are expecting that it will be delivered."


www.bbc.co.uk

We want same pay award as drivers, says RMT boss Mick Lynch

The Conservatives say Labour has been "played" by the unions and lost control of public sector pay.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
metalblue said:
The RMT has confirmed it will enter pay talks next week with the Department for Transport, which will negotiate on behalf of the train operating companies. It will also have talks with Network Rail.

Under the terms of a deal brokered last November, RMT members, such as train guards, were offered a backdated 5% rise for 2022/23, the same as that offered to Aslef members under their three-year deal.

The RMT deal said a 2023/24 pay offer would depend on formal negotiations with individual train companies on working conditions.

It is understood the agreement included a commitment to negotiate reforms at a local level for an expected 4% rise this year.

That amount would be below the 4.75% offered to Aslef drivers for that year as part of the deal to settle their dispute. Drivers have also been offered 4.5% for this year, which would take the average driver salary to around £68,000.

Mr Lynch told the Times: "All the indications are that we will be offered the same terms as Aslef. And we are expecting that it will be delivered."


www.bbc.co.uk

We want same pay award as drivers, says RMT boss Mick Lynch

The Conservatives say Labour has been "played" by the unions and lost control of public sector pay.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Was t just about pay though was it, how have the got on with the other stuff they were asking for?
 
TinFoilHat said:
The LNER strike has fuck all to do with pay.

It's to do with a bullying high up manager who's dictating, threating staff and ignoring agreed contractual rights because they are anti union.
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So what's the strike for?
 
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TinFoilHat said:
The LNER strike has fuck all to do with pay.

It's to do with a bullying high up manager who's dictating, threating staff and ignoring agreed contractual rights because they are anti union.
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I think they’re right, especially when it comes to exposing the chronic staffing levels of drivers and the assumption that they’ll work their days of. They nominally run a train to and from both Lincoln and Harrogate everyday and, almost every single day, they’re both cancelled. They start ‘Edinburgh to London’ trains, from Newcastle, York or Doncaster at least once a day.
Even though they know there is a driver shortfall, they refuse to alter the timetable which would at least give passengers some certainty.
Where I disagree is the timing of this. Get round the table with the new minister and see if it can be resolved. I’m sure there will be a new management team put on place sooner or later and giving the new government a chance might have been a wiser course of action?
 
Brewster's millions said:
Are they really going on strike because of one person?
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The unions have played the Labour government like a fiddle. When you offer a ‘no-strings’ deal, it’s not a negotiation, it’s a capitulation. Only a fool does that, and the unions know it. With the new pay increases the train drivers don’t want and don’t need to work Saturdays. The new strikes very conveniently solve that problem. Embarrassing to say the least for Labour.
 
PPT said:
The unions have played the Labour government like a fiddle. When you offer a ‘no-strings’ deal, it’s not a negotiation, it’s a capitulation. Only a fool does that, and the unions know it. With the new pay increases the train drivers don’t want and don’t need to work Saturdays. The new strikes very conveniently solve that problem. Embarrassing to say the least for Labour.
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Do you work for the Daily Heil or Talk TV? That's the kind of bollocks I'd expect them to come out with.
 
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