Douglas Luiz

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Edmund1898 said:
After a few years following these forums anonimously, as a Vasco da Gama supporter, I felt I needed to register to speak about Douglas. No doubt he is our best player (even if Vasco's current team is pretty average, with some good veterans as Nenê, former PSG, or Luis Fabiano, former Sevilla striker).

Douglas is incredibly good. He's plays better for Vasco than Alex Teixeira did on his age, and most supporters feel like we're losing another Coutinho, for the same cheap price - if he stayed for a couple of years, who knows for how much we could have sold him. No doubt he is already, at 19, one of the best box-to-box CMs in Brazilian league, and maybe from Brazil, as a real box-to-box CM is not easy to find here.

About him: a couple of years ago, he wasn't on the list of Vasco's youth gems. Last year, however, when Vasco was playing the Serie B after being relegated in 2015, he stepped up in the first team and we discovered we had a fantastic player in our backyard. He is very technical, great pass and skill, and he's also good in defensive aspects - it's hard to get the ball from him, and, when he loses, he goes after it. But the main thing is: Douglas is a very intelligent player - he is/was "the brain" of Vasco's midfield and knows how to read the game and dictate its pace, and performs really well his tactical role in the midfield. As any youth player, he still lacks some maturity and consistency, but no doubt he is very gifted and has a brilliant future ahead.

What I sincerely don't understand is why he's accepted this transfer to play firstly for a year for Girona. I don't know if he would have space in City's midfield, so it looks like you're buying him to use him later. If he has plans of going to the NT (and maybe to 2018 WC), IMO, he should have stayed playing in Brazil or City could've loaned him to a club bigger than Girona, cause he surely has the football to play in a medium La Liga/Serie A team.
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thank you for your comments! Good to have some background on the kid!;)
 
leonardolfonseca said:
Guys, I'm Brazilian and Vasco da Gama fan since child. I watch Vasco game every weekend. Douglas is a best player and he's midfield like Guardiola wants: He is excellent defense, go to attack, great pass, vision. He need training in long shot and header. He play in Vasco with liberty, occupying the all midfield. I guess it will play in position of Fernandinho e Toure. If he will be WC? I do not know. Before World Cup 2010, Brazilian fan commentators preferred PH Ganso to Neymar. PH Ganso looked like it would be WC. Today, Neymar is a best Brazilian player and PH is not Sevilla start eleven. Coutinho (who was from Vasco's base) also did not play like now in Internazionale and La Liga. Gabigol (Internazionale too), in 2014, looked like better then Jesus. About Douglas, no one doubts his quality in Brazil. The question is whether it's worth it to sell only this. After all, if Vinicius Jr cost £ 40 mi, Rodrigo Caio (23 years old) will go to Zenit for £ 15 mi. So, Vasco da Gama's fans wanted to sell more than £ 20 mi.

In Vasco da Gama fans' forum, you see I say (however, in portuguese). The link: "http://www.forumnetvasco.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=1589&start=930"

Sorry for English text. I am learning it.
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Welcome and thanks!!! :-)
 
cadds92 said:
I doubt we would get a work permit mate with him not having played for the national team. That's why he is likely to go to Girona, who are now a sister club to City.

Thanks for the information though, you have got a City fan quite excited.

I must say though, how did Vasco and Inter get it so wrong with Coutinho in regards to valuation?
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Doesn't have to play for the national team with the recent work permit rule changes mate. I think he'd meet some of the criteria, but even so I can't see him going directly into our first team. He will go to Girona, seems clear to me.

http://www.danielgeey.com/the-foreigner-debate-the-fas-new-work-permit-regulations-explained/
 
minnesota blue said:
Doesn't have to play for the national team with the recent work permit rule changes mate. I think he'd meet some of the criteria, but even so I can't see him going directly into our first team. He will go to Girona, seems clear to me.
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I suppose if we are paying around £10m for him The FA and the home office can't deny a visa. Special talent and all that.

I hope if we get him he comes on pre-season tour as we will need a midfielder with Delph and Fernando likely leaving.
 
minnesota blue said:
Doesn't have to play for the national team with the recent work permit rule changes mate. I think he'd meet some of the criteria, but even so I can't see him going directly into our first team. He will go to Girona, seems clear to me.

http://www.danielgeey.com/the-foreigner-debate-the-fas-new-work-permit-regulations-explained/
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They seem like much more reasonable criteria. Ironically if we bought hi for more money we'd be in a better position to get a work permit. :-)
 
leonardolfonseca said:
Guys, I'm Brazilian and Vasco da Gama fan since child. I watch Vasco game every weekend. Douglas is a best player and he's midfield like Guardiola wants: He is excellent defense, go to attack, great pass, vision. He need training in long shot and header. He play in Vasco with liberty, occupying the all midfield. I guess it will play in position of Fernandinho e Toure. If he will be WC? I do not know. Before World Cup 2010, Brazilian fan commentators preferred PH Ganso to Neymar. PH Ganso looked like it would be WC. Today, Neymar is a best Brazilian player and PH is not Sevilla start eleven. Coutinho (who was from Vasco's base) also did not play like now in Internazionale and La Liga. Gabigol (Internazionale too), in 2014, looked like better then Jesus. About Douglas, no one doubts his quality in Brazil. The question is whether it's worth it to sell only this. After all, if Vinicius Jr cost £ 40 mi, Rodrigo Caio (23 years old) will go to Zenit for £ 15 mi. So, Vasco da Gama's fans wanted to sell more than £ 20 mi.

In Vasco da Gama fans' forum, you see I say (however, in portuguese). The link: "http://www.forumnetvasco.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=1589&start=930"

Sorry for English text. I am learning it.
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Muito obrigado irmão para esse descrição, eu solo falo portuñol mais posso entender tudo. Espero que ele vai a ser nosso próximo grande sucesso brasileiro!!!
 
We are a bit crowded in the midfield department so I can see the logic of loaning him out. Hopefully we are open for a January move to City just in case we need an extra player because he looks to be decent first team material from the highlights.

Edmund1898 said:
After a few years following these forums anonimously, as a Vasco da Gama supporter, I felt I needed to register to speak about Douglas. No doubt he is our best player (even if Vasco's current team is pretty average, with some good veterans as Nenê, former PSG, or Luis Fabiano, former Sevilla striker).

Douglas is incredibly good. He's plays better for Vasco than Alex Teixeira did on his age, and most supporters feel like we're losing another Coutinho, for the same cheap price - if he stayed for a couple of years, who knows for how much we could have sold him. No doubt he is already, at 19, one of the best box-to-box CMs in Brazilian league, and maybe from Brazil, as a real box-to-box CM is not easy to find here.

About him: a couple of years ago, he wasn't on the list of Vasco's youth gems. Last year, however, when Vasco was playing the Serie B after being relegated in 2015, he stepped up in the first team and we discovered we had a fantastic player in our backyard. He is very technical, great pass and skill, and he's also good in defensive aspects - it's hard to get the ball from him, and, when he loses, he goes after it. But the main thing is: Douglas is a very intelligent player - he is/was "the brain" of Vasco's midfield and knows how to read the game and dictate its pace, and performs really well his tactical role in the midfield. As any youth player, he still lacks some maturity and consistency, but no doubt he is very gifted and has a brilliant future ahead.

What I sincerely don't understand is why he's accepted this transfer to play firstly for a year for Girona. I don't know if he would have space in City's midfield, so it looks like you're buying him to use him later. If he has plans of going to the NT (and maybe to 2018 WC), IMO, he should have stayed playing in Brazil or City could've loaned him to a club bigger than Girona, cause he surely has the football to play in a medium La Liga/Serie A team.
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Hopefully he does play a part in your NT regardless of him playing for Girona.
 
shaiomarali said:
We are a bit crowded in the midfield department so I can see the logic of loaning him out. Hopefully we are open for a January move to City just in case we need an extra player because he looks to be decent first team material from the highlights.



Hopefully he does play a part in your NT regardless of him playing for Girona.
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Fernando and Delp are likely leaving though.

I doubt at least one won't be replaced.
 
Sorry if it's been asked but how would we get a work permit?
 
shaiomarali said:
We are a bit crowded in the midfield department so I can see the logic of loaning him out. Hopefully we are open for a January move to City just in case we need an extra player because he looks to be decent first team material from the highlights.



Hopefully he does play a part in your NT regardless of him playing for Girona.
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I think people really underestimate La Liga, if he does well here then I assume that he'll get a chance in the 18/19 season as Yaya will definitely be moving on and Ferna will likely play a different role as he ages, if not moving on himself. If Douglas can live up to his potential then that means we really will only need to go after a CB, a forward (should we not get Sanchez) and a top top class midfielder like Thiago or Verratti. Assuming we sign qaulity fullbacks, although that appears to be far more difficult than I had once thought.
 
Sending him to Girona, to see his level, and bringing him back next year when Delph, Fernando, Yaya will be gone. Posibly Fernandinho too. Sounds good to me. If he is that good, than we will have Gundogan, Suarez and him fighting for one place. Sounds good.
 
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