Dzeko VS Negredo

[vintiz]

Zlatan, I'm bosnian like you, but please stop making 30 posts per day about Dzeko.

Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.

Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.

I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?

Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...

And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.

Thanks for this post mate.
And I can remember edin after the title winning season saying that he loved city and would love to stay here. Actually the question seemed to come as a surprise to him.

 

[Zlatan]

When people say that Negredo works harder and offers more to the team then statiscally, and I know how some loves their stats, then that was true and evident yesterday.

Don't think they should play together unless, as a last resort, Navas and one of Nasri or Silva is on the pitch with them.

Both will be important players this season but a partnership they are not imo. Jovetic and Dzeko may work well, and we've seen Aguero and Negredo work well. We'll need all 4, and all 4 will play a lot, this season.

Yes but Aguero as a main men( rightly so ) will of course play all the biggest and important games. By putting any body of those 3 strikers together with Aguero they are also granted that kind of games. Judging by last Negredos performance ( which was worse than Dzekos ) i cant really see why he should be automatic starter with Aguero. ( you have only one argument that you think he works better with Aguero ?? ).
And yes some of you are right. Dzeko is been here almost 3 years and Negredo few months. You are right that i am judging him to soon and he needs more time to let as know which are his limits.
But why than would you give a player wichh was here few month didnt have any brilliant performance so far advance on Dzeko.
Sory to me Negredo needs to earn partnership with Aguero.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Threads that involve Dzeko are tiresome.

 

[Proelia]

Ill tell you why because negredo gives effort and links up with the team better, Negredo will score 20+ this season guaranteed.

 

[City_Sean]

Negredo, hes a warrior and links up well. Dzeko often looks disinterested.

 

[vintiz]

Mancini played Dzeko over Tevez last year V Dortmund home Ajax home and away and Madrid at home, he has had plenty of big games, he's just not done the business in them for me,

I'm pretty sure that the Manchester City management knows which player played which game and how well they did in every one of those games. And at the end of the season they decided which players are worth keeping and which players should be let go.

Now, you may think that Dzeko should be let go, just as i may think that Barry should be kept but chances for both of us (forum members) getting this stuff better than the management of the football club are probably something like 1 %

I'm trying to be objective here, kind of not even taking into consideration my personal opinion about certain player.

However, if you really insist that i criticize Dzeko (and i don't see why this is necessary because there is certainly enough critics on here) i would have to say that i expect him to create more chances for his teammates, it seems to me that at the moment he is focused too much on scoring goals and i think he can be more useful to the team if he tried hard to create chances just like he tries hard to score goals.

Yea I think your right bout edin. Maybe he's been on bluemoon and would like to prove his critics wrong by scoring 30+ goals this season !

 

[Zlatan]

I for one have finally lost my patience with Dzeko, yes he's there every game with chances but for Christs sake why does he need 6 chances to score just one!
No doubt Zlatan is going to make some oblique reference to his mentality because of his country of origin without actually explaining what he means.
If he's saying he's weak mentally then we would be in agreement.
Come January get rid and buy Benteke or if he's fit enough(probably unlikely) give Guidetti a chance.

His is not weak mentally. The core of Balkan mentality is that you give all ( 110 % ) or u dont give a fuck. There is rarely a middle way sadly. This Can be a PLUS if you are first choice , than those players give everything they got and they play great. Negative thing is if they feel they unjustly dont get what they should because of their quality they tend to sulk and cant give their all. There basicly isnt a middle way. The positive thing is if they are given a chance they are overconffident. They think they are the best in the world and are almost unstopible by opposite side. My opinion is that Dzeko ( because of his star status in germany and the amount of clubs which were looking for him and still are ) thinks he is better then a sub, which i think he even said in some interwiews , that he is no supersub and never was and never will be.
Dzekos Coach in Wolfsburg was a TYRANT. The worst coach in Germany. Felix Magath the real old school coach. He was more a military sergeant then a coach. He did every bed things possible to his players beside fisical attack. And how Dzeko did , he did GREAT. This tough regime motivated him. SO he is not week mentally. He only needs to feel important not undervalued and he will be unstoppable.

Unfortunately he tends to the "don't give a fuck" mentality to often.
He's paid a huge amount of money each week "to feel important", if he needs someone to pat his hand every 5 minutes and say "there, there diddums" then he's weak mentally. Get shot.

He dont need hand over his shoulder. He is mentally strong. I told you that he had biggest tyrant of german football as a coach and he was doing fine.
You show a respect to a player by playing him in big games. ( If a player is good enough to deserve it ). That is the only thing he needs.

 

[bluemc1]

His is not weak mentally. The core of Balkan mentality is that you give all ( 110 % ) or u dont give a fuck. There is rarely a middle way sadly. This Can be a PLUS if you are first choice , than those players give everything they got and they play great. Negative thing is if they feel they unjustly dont get what they should because of their quality they tend to sulk and cant give their all. There basicly isnt a middle way. The positive thing is if they are given a chance they are overconffident. They think they are the best in the world and are almost unstopible by opposite side. My opinion is that Dzeko ( because of his star status in germany and the amount of clubs which were looking for him and still are ) thinks he is better then a sub, which i think he even said in some interwiews , that he is no supersub and never was and never will be.
Dzekos Coach in Wolfsburg was a TYRANT. The worst coach in Germany. Felix Magath the real old school coach. He was more a military sergeant then a coach. He did every bed things possible to his players beside fisical attack. And how Dzeko did , he did GREAT. This tough regime motivated him. SO he is not week mentally. He only needs to feel important not undervalued and he will be unstoppable.

Unfortunately he tends to the "don't give a fuck" mentality to often.
He's paid a huge amount of money each week "to feel important", if he needs someone to pat his hand every 5 minutes and say "there, there diddums" then he's weak mentally. Get shot.

He dont need hand over his shoulder. He is mentally strong. I told you that he had biggest tyrant of german football as a coach and he was doing fine.
You show a respect to a player by playing him in big games. ( If a player is good enough to deserve it ). That is the only thing he needs.

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

 

[Zlatan]

Unfortunately he tends to the "don't give a fuck" mentality to often.
He's paid a huge amount of money each week "to feel important", if he needs someone to pat his hand every 5 minutes and say "there, there diddums" then he's weak mentally. Get shot.

He dont need hand over his shoulder. He is mentally strong. I told you that he had biggest tyrant of german football as a coach and he was doing fine.
You show a respect to a player by playing him in big games. ( If a player is good enough to deserve it ). That is the only thing he needs.

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

 

[bluemc1]

He dont need hand over his shoulder. He is mentally strong. I told you that he had biggest tyrant of german football as a coach and he was doing fine.
You show a respect to a player by playing him in big games. ( If a player is good enough to deserve it ). That is the only thing he needs.

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

fair enough

 

[Centurions]

He dont need hand over his shoulder. He is mentally strong. I told you that he had biggest tyrant of german football as a coach and he was doing fine.
You show a respect to a player by playing him in big games. ( If a player is good enough to deserve it ). That is the only thing he needs.

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

No you wouldn't...

 

[Zlatan]

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

No you wouldn't...

I would believe me. I only want that Dzeko get fair share of important games and that is all. It is up to him then. As i agree that Aguero is better striker all the time. I would not have problem to agree that Negredo is better if he shows that. Fair is fair. And i am telling u the true.

 

[pominoz]

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

No you wouldn't...

I would believe me. I only want that Dzeko get fair share of important games and that is all. It is up to him then. As i agree that Aguero is better striker all the time. I would not have problem to agree that Negredo is better if he shows that. Fair is fair. And i am telling u the true.

The thing is Zlatan, all games are important, he will every chance to prove himself. If he does not perform in the "lesser" games that he feels are beneath him, how can you trust him in the games he feels are important?

 

[Vladika]

Darius Vassel is better than both.

 

[richball_PF55]

negredo is hungrier, dzeko is great on his day but is too inconsistent.

negredo for me.

 

[Zlatan]

No you wouldn't...

I would believe me. I only want that Dzeko get fair share of important games and that is all. It is up to him then. As i agree that Aguero is better striker all the time. I would not have problem to agree that Negredo is better if he shows that. Fair is fair. And i am telling u the true.

The thing is Zlatan, all games are important, he will every chance to prove himself. If he does not perform in the "lesser" games that he feels are beneath him, how can you trust him in the games he feels are important?

Ok i think you are positive and trying to convince me. But you are wrong sory.
I didint said that he thinks lesser games are beneath him. I SAID that ( I think ) he needs also to play bigger teams to feels important. AND IT GOES 100 % THE SAME FOR NEGREDO. The same thing. If he would be benched 2,3 important games in a row do you really think Negredo would not be affected. ?
it is hard this one i would of like for match to be finished allready. He can start one or another. They both can play good or bad, just tough to know what will happen.

 

[Graceyboy]

Players are picked to "do a job" once the opposition have been studied and weaknesses highlighted. All our strikers have their unique attributes that are better than their fellow team mates and are teamed up to exploit the percieved weaknesses of opposing sides. The big difference this year is I think all the squad are bought into the philosphy and know they are going to get given games throughout the hard season ahead. If players in the past are not picked (after a run of scoring goals and decent performances) and not explained to that they are not "dropped" but only utilising another player for a particular reason, then players can stay focused and contribute positively to the squad. This approach seems to be working wonders for many of our players that have been disenfranchised by previous managerial handling.

I think our wonderful MP will soon work out all our players USPs and exploit them to the fullest. At the same time working on improving each players weaknesses. I think he has made a good start on improving Dzeko's woeful laziness of last year along with his inconsistant first touch which I think has improved due to confidence and trust.

Negredo meanwhile looks like a beast of a player, and we havn't seen enough of him to see his weaknesses yet (whether they maybe mental or ability).

Don't get me wrong, I think Pellegrini will hand out bollockings when needed, but it won,t be in every tabloid paper, and we certainly won't to get to know about it.

It's difficult to answer a question of Dzeko Vs Negredo as they both do similar things at the same time bring different things to the table. I just think we are very lucky to have the fortune to trust them both to find the onion bag.

Long have the days gone where we had to hope Corradi or Samaras might fluke one in to brighten an otherwise dismal era under Pearce.

 

[vintiz]

but ive just said he played in most of the big games last year, ill say again i think im right Gunners at home Ajax home and away dortmund home and away madrid home thats 6 big games and no goal

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

No you wouldn't...

Seems like zlatan is just an edin dzeko fan and not a city fan !

 

[Zlatan]

I think at gunners game the one of Tevez/Aguero was injured but i am not 100 % sure.
In a Madrid game ( away ) he was a sub and managed to score the first goal on the game. Came in 63 minute and score in 69.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTc1UmyZz0</a> ( what a celebration WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ).
I think the REAL fans are not used that the away team celebrate like that. They were saying like " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ". :) :)
If you agree we should forget the past. The past is past time.
I would like to concetrate on present. Now he have different coach and different striking partners. Last big game was Manchester united. Next Big is Bayern game.

** Sory i just saw you ment Real home not home and away. But anyway of the english teams you just wrote one arsenal game. What about Man. united, Tottenham, Chelsea games ??

LOOK to finish this conversation. If mr. Pellegrini rotate Dzeko and Negredo in big games to i Would be more than happy. And if Negredo outscore him or be better overall than Dzeko i would have no problem to graduate him and wish him all the best.

No you wouldn't...

Seems like zlatan is just an edin dzeko fan and not a city fan !

YOU should better answer to my long post. I even give u the truce. Bayern game will tell really a lot. ( was Dzeko subbed because he needed a rest for other game, or he was subbed because other striker DESPITE DZEKO WAS A SCORER. If the answer is number 2 than it is really a football RARITY to bench a scorer who is trying to get in form - because scorer when they are hot they tend do score more easily. Not to mention than in that case he benched scorer and a better striker in that match ???? ). And in about 2 more derbies mr. Pellegrinis tactics/intention will be clear. I am more honest then many in here. I was always saying i like Dzeko i never tried to hide it. I was never saying yes WE have won, yes WE should by or do that ( not one single time, so i dont pretend to be genuine city fan ). First thing i said that i think there is one striker maybe to much and some of english posters agreed on that. But i would not want to repeat it because it is negative and the team should concentrate on winning and giving max. effort. I told i like Dzeko and City and i want them both to have a biggsucess. I think a lot in here accepted me that way. And you know quite well that we talked a lot beside Dzeko. About Nasri, Jovetic, Fernandinho, Aguero PRE match, POST Match, Bayern as a team, German league teams and a lot of that was not about the Dzeko. And i am NO FAN BOY. I dont have a room full of posters of certain player. I am not collecting things of one player. i am not interesting in what he does in his free time. If i am someone fan boy than it is just one player and his name is Zlatan the golden boy :) IBRACADABRA . I am his fan as a player and much bigger fan as a person for what he managed to achieve and in what circumstances. 95 % of modern day footballers are just incomparable to IBRA.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

No you wouldn't...

Seems like zlatan is just an edin dzeko fan and not a city fan !

YOU should better answer to my long post. I even give u the truce. Bayern game will tell really a lot. ( was Dzeko subbed because he needed a rest for other game, or he was subbed because other striker DESPITE DZEKO WAS A SCORER. If the answer is number 2 than it is really a football RARITY to bench a scorer who is trying to get in form - because scorer when they are hot they tend do score more easily. Not to mention than in that case he benched scorer and a better striker in that match ???? ). And in about 2 more derbies mr. Pellegrinis tactics/intention will be clear. I am more honest then many in here. I was always saying i like Dzeko i never tried to hide it. I was never saying yes WE have won, yes WE should by or do that ( not one single time, so i dont pretend to be genuine city fan ). First thing i said that i think there is one striker maybe to much and some of english posters agreed on that. But i would not want to repeat it because it is negative and the team should concentrate on winning and giving max. effort. I told i like Dzeko and City and i want them both to have a biggsucess. I think a lot in here accepted me that way. And you know quite well that we talked a lot beside Dzeko. About Nasri, Jovetic, Fernandinho, Aguero PRE match, POST Match, Bayern as a team, German league teams and a lot of that was not about the Dzeko.

don't bother. pudge is ace, rest of them...nope