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Dzeko VS Negredo
- Thread starter Firasdo
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Proelia said:Zlatan said:Proelia said:And do you think your ratings matter? cause they most certaintly do not coming from a biased bosnian
And how would you rate those 2, i would really like to see ?
.... and i rated Dzeko 7/10 just because he maneged to score otherwise i would be given him the same as Negredo5.5-6/10. Because he didint also do much more.
Both a 6
Negredos over all play better like always but Dzeko got a goal even if he knew fuk all about it
He knew a lot about it. He positioned him self the right way. But for the split second to late and he catched the ball more with his neck/shoulder. But the fact that he menaged to score that way just shows you with how big FORCE he played it. If he wasnt half second to late he would also score a beauty goal,
pominoz
Well-Known Member
Hari84 said:Aytoun said:The donkey was hopeless today even by his standards, even the goal came off his shoulder.
We would not be criticising our hapless defence now if he had put away a quarter of the chances as we would have been out of sight.
If there is the slightest doubt about his abject play just look at the free kick from Milner on the edge of the box.
I can understand people not being overjoyed at Negredo, but there is only one answer sadly.
Plz stop.
The goal was not by the shoulder. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov8vpVGW9h4[/youtube]
And last night non of them played well against Villa.
Both are good players and i think we have enough matches to both of them.
But never together. They too similar to each other.
And btw dont call our player a donkey.
It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
pominoz said:Hari84 said:Aytoun said:The donkey was hopeless today even by his standards, even the goal came off his shoulder.
We would not be criticising our hapless defence now if he had put away a quarter of the chances as we would have been out of sight.
If there is the slightest doubt about his abject play just look at the free kick from Milner on the edge of the box.
I can understand people not being overjoyed at Negredo, but there is only one answer sadly.
Plz stop.
The goal was not by the shoulder. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov8vpVGW9h4[/youtube]
And last night non of them played well against Villa.
Both are good players and i think we have enough matches to both of them.
But never together. They too similar to each other.
And btw dont call our player a donkey.
It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
pominoz
Well-Known Member
Hari84 said:pominoz said:Hari84 said:Plz stop.
The goal was not by the shoulder. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov8vpVGW9h4[/youtube]
And last night non of them played well against Villa.
Both are good players and i think we have enough matches to both of them.
But never together. They too similar to each other.
And btw dont call our player a donkey.
It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
That is the only angle you can not see it properly, all of the others clearly show it hitting his shoulder.
vintiz
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Well I'd say in the real world you may have to rotate as one may get burned off. As to your question I'd like to say that some certain games would suit edin better than the beast. So its left for the manager to determine how to set the up the team.Firasdo said:I don't believe in rotation, one of them should be the main striker but who !
pominoz said:Hari84 said:pominoz said:It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
That is the only angle you can not see it properly, all of the others clearly show it hitting his shoulder.
He knew a lot about it. He positioned him self the right way. But for the split second to late and he catched the ball more with his neck/shoulder. But the fact that he menaged to score that way just shows you with how big FORCE he played it. If he wasnt half second to late he would also score a beauty goal,
SO he at least did something. Negredo as u said positioned himself better and played 20 min more in which Dzeko maybe would off scored another goal.
pominoz said:Hari84 said:pominoz said:It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
That is the only angle you can not see it properly, all of the others clearly show it hitting his shoulder.
Thats the only angle you see the ball all the way. Everything else you see is from above and so it looks like it hits the shoulder.
vintiz said:Well I'd say in the real world you may have to rotate as one may get burned off. As to your question I'd like to say that some certain games would suit edin better than the beast. So its left for the manager to determine how to set the up the team.Firasdo said:I don't believe in rotation, one of them should be the main striker but who !
You are right. Tough job for the manager to keep them both happy. Aguero is not the question because he had guarantee spot if he is not injured.
vintiz
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So ??? If its off he's shoulder so what ??? It isn't a goal or does it make him less better ?!?!<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:31 pm --<br /><br />pominoz said:Hari84 said:pominoz said:It clearly shows that it came off his shoulder.
Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
That is the only angle you can not see it properly, all of the others clearly show it hitting his shoulder.
Yea kun just seems to come from another planet !! When ever he's fit he hardly 'under performs'Zlatan said:vintiz said:Well I'd say in the real world you may have to rotate as one may get burned off. As to your question I'd like to say that some certain games would suit edin better than the beast. So its left for the manager to determine how to set the up the team.Firasdo said:I don't believe in rotation, one of them should be the main striker but who !
You are right. Tough job for the manager to keep them both happy. Aguero is not the question because he had guarantee spot if he is not injured.
Zlatan, I'm bosnian like you, but please stop making 30 posts per day about Dzeko.
Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.
Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.
I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?
Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...
And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.
Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.
Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.
I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?
Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...
And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.
pominoz
Well-Known Member
Hari84 said:pominoz said:Hari84 said:Play it replay at 0:58 and there you see it.
That is the only angle you can not see it properly, all of the others clearly show it hitting his shoulder.
Thats the only angle you see the ball all the way. Everything else you see is from above and so it looks like it hits the shoulder.
You are kidding right?
The last shot at 1.00 shows it coming off his shoulder very clearly.
mancityfc4life said:They both have their strengths, Dzeko is a game changer when he comes off the bench and adds an extra dynamic, however rotation is the key to a long and successful campaign.
Dzeko is so good that he can be a game changer from the beginning too.
DelBosque said:Zlatan, I'm bosnian like you, but please stop making 30 posts per day about Dzeko.
Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.
Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.
I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?
Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...
And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.
I agree. If he really starts the Bayern game with Kun up front. I will admit that i was wrong !!!!
And just to add i am posting about other players to quite a lot ( Nasri, Fernandinho, Jovetic, pre post match games.. )
Real had 2 strikers now they have only Benzema, Barca also just one, Bayern only Mandzukic is real striker i can go on if you want. So are they top clubs or they just can not afford 4 top strikers. But if Dzeko really starts against Bayern I will complitly change my mind about him staying and mr. Pellegrinis tactics. Is it fair ??
Zlatan said:DelBosque said:Zlatan, I'm bosnian like you, but please stop making 30 posts per day about Dzeko.
Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.
Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.
I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?
Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...
And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.
I agree. If he really starts the Bayern game with Kun up front. I will admit that i was wrong !!!!
And just to add i am posting about other players to quite a lot ( Nasri, Fernandinho, Jovetic, pre post match games.. )
Real had 2 strikers now they have only Benzema, Barca also just one, Bayern only Mandzukic is real striker i can go on if you want. So are they top clubs or they just can not afford 4 top strikers. But if Dzeko really starts against Bayern I will complitly change my mind about him staying and mr. Pellegrinis tactics. Is it fair ??
Oh man, sorry but you are missing the point - it's completely irrelevant whether Dzeko starts against Bayern or not in the grand scheme of things - there will be plenty of big games this season for City - some he will start, some he will not- whether he starts against BAyern - it doesn't matter - at all.
Centurions
Well-Known Member
Zlatan said:ColinLee said:I for one have finally lost my patience with Dzeko, yes he's there every game with chances but for Christs sake why does he need 6 chances to score just one!
No doubt Zlatan is going to make some oblique reference to his mentality because of his country of origin without actually explaining what he means.
If he's saying he's weak mentally then we would be in agreement.
Come January get rid and buy Benteke or if he's fit enough(probably unlikely) give Guidetti a chance.
His is not weak mentally. The core of Balkan mentality is that you give all ( 110 % ) or u dont give a fuck. There is rarely a middle way sadly. This Can be a PLUS if you are first choice , than those players give everything they got and they play great. Negative thing is if they feel they unjustly dont get what they should because of their quality they tend to sulk and cant give their all. There basicly isnt a middle way. The positive thing is if they are given a chance they are overconffident. They think they are the best in the world and are almost unstopible by opposite side. My opinion is that Dzeko ( because of his star status in germany and the amount of clubs which were looking for him and still are ) thinks he is better then a sub, which i think he even said in some interwiews , that he is no supersub and never was and never will be.
Dzekos Coach in Wolfsburg was a TYRANT. The worst coach in Germany. Felix Magath the real old school coach. He was more a military sergeant then a coach. He did every bed things possible to his players beside fisical attack. And how Dzeko did , he did GREAT. This tough regime motivated him. SO he is not week mentally. He only needs to feel important not undervalued and he will be unstoppable.
Unfortunately he tends to the "don't give a fuck" mentality to often.
He's paid a huge amount of money each week "to feel important", if he needs someone to pat his hand every 5 minutes and say "there, there diddums" then he's weak mentally. Get shot.
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bluemc1
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DelBosque said:Zlatan said:DelBosque said:Zlatan, I'm bosnian like you, but please stop making 30 posts per day about Dzeko.
Honestly, i would even suggest to forum moderators to limit some posters to 2-3 posts per day if that's technically possible on this forum. I think it would increase the quality of the forum.
Zlatan, regarding your point that it is enough to have 3 top strikers at the club and that 4 is too much. What can i tell you, both Mancini and Pellegrini disagree with you so that should tell you something.
You are not taking into account possible injuries, i'm pretty sure that both Pellegrini and Mancini would be quite happy with having just 3 top strikers during the season if anyone could guarrantee to them that none of them will get any injuries.
But injuries can happen and do happen and that is why City wants to have 4 top strikers although at the same time it means that each one of them will have to sit on the bench through more games than they would probably prefer to.
I completely disagree with any posters suggesting that Dzeko should look to change the club in order to get more playtime or be the main man on some other team. Here at City he is at a big club - fighting to win every competition they are in - so what bigger and better club could he go to?
Besides, Dzeko has started 6 out of 8 games so far this season, and i think he is pretty much nailed on to start vs, Bayern - so what more can you ask for? really?
Both Deko and Negredo are doing good so far this season - so i would leave it to the manager to pick which one of them will start each game depending on the opposition, tactics, current form etc...
And if at the end of the season any one of Negredo, Dzeko, Jovetic or Sergio or anyone else on the team is unhappy with playtime they had they can ask for transfer, Tevez did it and i didn't notice City making any problems for him to switch to Juve.
But Dzeko obviously even under Mancini got enough playtime to make him want to stay at the club and fight for his place, this season so far he is playing even a little bit more so why don't we all (especially us bosnians) let Dzeko decide on his own where he wants to play - so far to me it
definitely looks like he wants to play for City.
I agree. If he really starts the Bayern game with Kun up front. I will admit that i was wrong !!!!
And just to add i am posting about other players to quite a lot ( Nasri, Fernandinho, Jovetic, pre post match games.. )
Real had 2 strikers now they have only Benzema, Barca also just one, Bayern only Mandzukic is real striker i can go on if you want. So are they top clubs or they just can not afford 4 top strikers. But if Dzeko really starts against Bayern I will complitly change my mind about him staying and mr. Pellegrinis tactics. Is it fair ??
Oh man, sorry but you are missing the point - it's completely irrelevant whether Dzeko starts against Bayern or not in the grand scheme of things - there will be plenty of big games this season for City - some he will start, some he will not- whether he starts against BAyern - it doesn't matter - at all.
Mancini played Dzeko over Tevez last year V Dortmund home Ajax home and away and Madrid at home, he has had plenty of big games, he's just not done the business in them for me,
Centurions
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Dzeko has been here 3 years next January, Negredo 3 months now. How much more of a chance to you want Dzeko to have?<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:32 pm --<br /><br />Zlatan said:Aytoun said:The donkey was hopeless today even by his standards, even the goal came off his shoulder.
We would not be criticising our hapless defence now if he had put away a quarter of the chances as we would have been out of sight.
If there is the slightest doubt about his abject play just look at the free kick from Milner on the edge of the box.
I can understand people not being overjoyed at Negredo, but there is only one answer sadly.
Hehe, and What did Negredo in Villa game. They both have given a fair chance and let the better man win. Mr. Pelle had given HIM an 20 min extra than Dzeko + Navas and he didint manage to score. ( he was the lone striker )
Dzeko that game was 7/10
Negredo 5.5-6/10 ( he didint even have an assist for the whole the game, he did nothing beside running )
And there's the problem, Dzeko isn't your player, he's ours. We pay his wages.Hari84 said:Aytoun said:The donkey was hopeless today even by his standards, even the goal came off his shoulder.
We would not be criticising our hapless defence now if he had put away a quarter of the chances as we would have been out of sight.
If there is the slightest doubt about his abject play just look at the free kick from Milner on the edge of the box.
I can understand people not being overjoyed at Negredo, but there is only one answer sadly.
Plz stop.
The goal was not by the shoulder. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov8vpVGW9h4[/youtube]
And last night non of them played well against Villa.
Both are good players and i think we have enough matches to both of them.
But never together. They too similar to each other.
And btw dont call our player a donkey.
bluemc1 said:Mancini played Dzeko over Tevez last year V Dortmund home Ajax home and away and Madrid at home, he has had plenty of big games, he's just not done the business in them for me,
I'm pretty sure that the Manchester City management knows which player played which game and how well they did in every one of those games. And at the end of the season they decided which players are worth keeping and which players should be let go.
Now, you may think that Dzeko should be let go, just as i may think that Barry should be kept but chances for both of us (forum members) getting this stuff better than the management of the football club are probably something like 1 %
I'm trying to be objective here, kind of not even taking into consideration my personal opinion about certain player.
However, if you really insist that i criticize Dzeko (and i don't see why this is necessary because there is certainly enough critics on here) i would have to say that i expect him to create more chances for his teammates, it seems to me that at the moment he is focused too much on scoring goals and i think he can be more useful to the team if he tried hard to create chances just like he tries hard to score goals.
When people say that Negredo works harder and offers more to the team then statiscally, and I know how some loves their stats, then that was true and evident yesterday.
Don't think they should play together unless, as a last resort, Navas and one of Nasri or Silva is on the pitch with them.
Both will be important players this season but a partnership they are not imo. Jovetic and Dzeko may work well, and we've seen Aguero and Negredo work well. We'll need all 4, and all 4 will play a lot, this season.
Don't think they should play together unless, as a last resort, Navas and one of Nasri or Silva is on the pitch with them.
Both will be important players this season but a partnership they are not imo. Jovetic and Dzeko may work well, and we've seen Aguero and Negredo work well. We'll need all 4, and all 4 will play a lot, this season.