Dzeko

[svennis pennis]

Has any explanation come from the training camp as to why Dzeko has not featured in either of the two friendlies yet?
Obviously it is fueling speculation he may leave.

He's shit?

what a shit stupid comment

Fact.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

 

[NipHolmes]

There are going to be quite a lot of these defensive games this season, but no we wouldn't be keeping Edin just because of that because he's got a lot more to offer.

Does anyone know how many headers Balo, Van Persie and Dzeko scored last season? (I genuinely don't know the answer, with us likely to sign RVP I hope he got a few)

RVP takes corners so that deprives him in the box. With us he'd be in the box whilst Silva takes.

RVP hits more volleys, I say that for certain.



Some players take more time to adapt than others

Yeah I agree, but why wait when we can have the prems best players and top scorer of last season?

We simply aren't set up they way his game needs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --<br /><br />

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

 

[blue wang]

Yeah I agree, but why wait when we can have the prems best players and top scorer of last season?

We simply aren't set up they way his game needs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

so i take it you dont see a wing coming in?

 

[fairyfeet]

Yeah I agree, but why wait when we can have the prems best players and top scorer of last season?

We simply aren't set up they way his game needs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

He wasn't though Nip. Their best striker was Grafite, and Wolfsburg didn't play with out and out wingers, they had an attacking midfielder just behind the front two (forget his name Man.. sumit). Wolfsburg won the title playing a quick passing game, closing down the opposition when they didn't have the ball. A similar style to ours, but much more direct.

 

[NipHolmes]

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

so i take it you dont see a wing coming in?

I don't see anything right now, I guess but don't know. Mancini and his men are more educated than me and if I can see weakness then so can they.

 

[NipHolmes]

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

He wasn't though Nip. Their best striker was Grafite, and Wolfsburg didn't play with out and out wingers, they had an attacking midfielder just behind the front two (forget his name Man.. sumit). Wolfsburg won the title playing a quick passing game, closing down the opposition when they didn't have the ball. A similar style to ours, but much more direct.

That's correct as they played similarly to Bilboa as in counter and at you. But whereas our play is through Yaya, Silva, Nasri and to the feet he would get delivery from out wide often which resulted to tap-ins and headers, if it was through the middle it was normally from space that was made for him that he isn't luxury to in the prem i.e tight defense minded teams. I think he was better than Grafite but not much in it. They were a tidy partnership, deadly in fact.

What I will say is this, he was allowed a damn site more room in the Bundesliga than he is here and that's his main downfall. Give him space and he will get a screamer but his bread and butter is wide play.

Where and hows Grafite doing now, I lived in Holland for a few months and that's how I stumbled on German footie, not seen or heard of him since.

This has got me thinking, I will look into what goals he scored in games and have a bit of a review about the lad. I rewatched Bosnia v Brazil the otherday and he mugged Brazil with hold up play. They didn't know what hit them.

 

[blue wang]

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --



The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

so i take it you dont see a wing coming in?

I don't see anything right now, I guess but don't know. Mancini and his men are more educated than me and if I can see weakness then so can they.

and potential?

the reason i think the dzeko plan is not finished, is coz initially dzeko was bought at the same time sanchez was a target . i think the combo was a potential plan.

 

[NipHolmes]

so i take it you dont see a wing coming in?

I don't see anything right now, I guess but don't know. Mancini and his men are more educated than me and if I can see weakness then so can they.

and potential?

the reason i think the dzeko plan is not finished, is coz initially dzeko was bought at the same time sanchez was a target . i think the combo was a potential plan.

Not a bad shout, but they would have bought in Jan surely?

Tell you what, I love Richards but a Dani Alves type RB would absolutely be perfect for him. I mean literally hand in glove. It would me we wouldn't need to change much as the team remains the same but we'd have the delivery. Richards is a good defender but his delivery isn't anywhere near Alves's.

The links of the past have me thinking. On a football level he'd be perfect. Clichy one side and Alves the other, drop DeJong/Barry into a 3 man CB when Wingbacks are bombing forward.

Wouldn't happen.


Pedro is your answer btw, a few others too but he'd be my choice if available.

 

[blue wang]

I don't see anything right now, I guess but don't know. Mancini and his men are more educated than me and if I can see weakness then so can they.

and potential?

the reason i think the dzeko plan is not finished, is coz initially dzeko was bought at the same time sanchez was a target . i think the combo was a potential plan.

Not a bad shout, but they would have bought in Jan surely?

Tell you what, I love Richards but a Dani Alves type RB would absolutely be perfect for him. I mean literally hand in glove. It would me we wouldn't need to change much as the team remains the same but we'd have the delivery. Richards is a good defender but his delivery isn't anywhere near Alves's.

The links of the past have me thinking. On a football level he'd be perfect. Clichy one side and Alves the other, drop DeJong/Barry into a 3 man CB when Wingbacks are bombing forward.

Wouldn't happen.


Pedro is your answer btw, a few others too but he'd be my choice if available.

you probably right about pedro ? and alves i just wouldnt have the heart to drop richards though.

do think weiss could do a job as a left wing ? or am i dreaming

 

[Sir peace frog]

dzeko has a lot more to his game than just heading,we should keep him without question,aguero is a no brainer as is mario,tevez of the four would be the one to go,but not for van persie,for cavani

 

[Comrade Buka]

Edin Dzeko has insisted he is not looking to leave Manchester City following speculation linking him with a move to AC Milan.


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Edin Dzeko is not looking to leave Eastlands this summer
Dzeko, 26, has been linked with a potential move to the San Siro as the Rossoneri seek a replacement for Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and an agent named Sead Susic was quoted recently indicating the Bosnian would relish the switch.

However, Manchester City subsequently indicated that they were unaware of "the so-called spokesman Mr Susic", and Dzeko has now stressed on his personal website that he is happy at Eastlands.

"My agent is Irfan Redzepagic and neither of us are pushing for my departure from City," he said. "I'm only focused on Manchester City and I do not care about media speculation, especially when it comes from people who have nothing to do with me.

"After new speculation about my departure from City and the statements of individuals, who are talking like they are my agent, I would like to inform the public that I have not had any negotiations with Milan."

Milan are apparently in talks to sign Internacional striker Leandro Damiao.

<a class="postlink" href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1125721/edin-dzeko-focused-on-man-city-amid-ac-milan-speculation?cc=5739" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... on?cc=5739</a>

 

[sbm]

This has got me thinking, I will look into what goals he scored in games and have a bit of a review about the lad. I rewatched Bosnia v Brazil the otherday and he mugged Brazil with hold up play. They didn't know what hit them.

I will start you off with some statistics. In what follows:
(a) = minutes per goal
(b) = minutes per assist
(c) = minutes per assist or goal
R = right foot L = left foot H = header
Tap-in is as defined by <a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk</a>

2011-12, Premier League

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79 R: 5 L: 4 H: 4 pen: 0 Tap-in: 1
Kun (a) 112 (b) 258 (c) 78 R: 17 L: 2 H: 0 pen: 3 Tap-in: 1
Mario (a) 102 (b) 1329 (c) 95 R: 8 L:1 H: 0 pen: 3 Tap-in: 1
Carlos (a) 150 (b) 200 (c) 85 R: 2 L: 0 H: 1 pen: 0 Tap-in: 0

Career statistics:
Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
Kun (a) 156 (b) 378 (c) 110
Mario (a) 168 (b) 1056 (c) 124
Carlos (a) 186 (b) 376 (c) 125

van Persie (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 162
Rooney (a) 174 (b) 395 (c) 121
Torres (a) 177 (b) 587 (c) 136

To sum up the careers, for anyone who really cannot abide numbers, Edin dominates all the above in terms both of goals and of assists (and obviously therefore in terms of goals + assists). If penalties were excluded, the results would favour Edin even more.

Above you were discussing Edin at Wolfsburg. From July 2007 to December 2010, in the Bundesliga, he scored 66 goals and had 28 assists (with 95 minutes per goal or assist). In contrast to the suggestion above that Edin scored lots of tap-ins at Wolfsburg, he is credited with 0 (zero) tap-ins by transfermarkt.co.uk. Edin and Grafite (who is now with Al-Ahli Dubai) formed a partnership in the true sense of the term. As far as I know, they always spoke with genuine warmth about each other and it is, in my view, not appropriate to claim that one was much better than the other (which you don't). What struck me as interesting was that, for the 2010-11 season, Grafite had 7 goals and 2 assists in 860 minutes before Edin left and 2 goals and 1 assist in 988 minutes after he left.

Some time ago, I analysed 54 goals that Edin Dzeko scored for Wolfsburg during calendar years 2009 and 2010. He scored 17 (31%) with his Head; 14 with his Left foot; and 23 with his Right foot. Of the 37 goals scored with his feet, 22 (59%) were scored with his first touch (so that, including headed goals, 39 out of 54 were scored with his first touch!). A further 6 were scored with his 2nd touch (i.e., first touch to control). Remarkably few could be described as 'scrappy' goals or involved deflections. As noted above, transfermarkt.co.uk had 0 of his Wolfsburg goals as tap-ins.

** To argue that it would be foolish to change our system to focus it all on Edin is to set up and put down a straw man: no-one is seriously arguing that we should fundamentally change. Many have made the convincing (self-evident) argument that it is good to have a "plan b". And, as the above stats for 2011-12 show, Edin has done remarkably well operating in our "plan a". Any sensible "plan a" should be able to accommodate a striker who can score with both feet and with his head.

** Lest anyone think I am obsessed with statistics, Edin's one-touch-and-pass to Carlos for the latter's goal vs Notts County in the 5th round of the FACup, his fourth goal vs Spurs, his role in the goal against Arsenal in the Carling Cup... these were things of beauty!

** Lest anyone think that I am obsessed with Edin, my favourite striker is, in fact, Kun. I believe that Edin and Kun (both remarkably ego-light for strikers) could form one of the best striking partnerships ever ..... if Roberto was committed to it.

 

[BIG DONKEY]

Why did we buy him then? He hasn't become a different player to when he was at Wolfsburg.

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --

The club would not be coming out with such statements if Dzeko could go. Also Dezko's comments today confirm he is going nowhere. The only player who may leave is Tevez.

The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

He wasn't though Nip. Their best striker was Grafite, and Wolfsburg didn't play with out and out wingers, they had an attacking midfielder just behind the front two (forget his name Man.. sumit). Wolfsburg won the title playing a quick passing game, closing down the opposition when they didn't have the ball. A similar style to ours, but much more direct.

Are you on crack? Ask literally any person who watches Bundesliga regulary or any Wolfsburg fan and they will tell you Grafite isn't anywhere near Dzeko's ability. He had 1 good season, Edin had 3.

The reason he got a similar goal tally to Edin in one season was because he took a shit load of penaltys.


And it's true Wolfsburg never played with wingers, only wingbacks and an attacking creative midfielder behind the front 2, was Misimovic (also Bosnian), one of the most creative playmakers in bundesliga history, he got 20 assists in one season once and broke loads of records.

 

[alky313]

I'd be interested to see Ed vs others in game winning goals.

 

[BringBackSwales]

This has got me thinking, I will look into what goals he scored in games and have a bit of a review about the lad. I rewatched Bosnia v Brazil the otherday and he mugged Brazil with hold up play. They didn't know what hit them.

I will start you off with some statistics. In what follows:
(a) = minutes per goal
(b) = minutes per assist
(c) = minutes per assist or goal
R = right foot L = left foot H = header
Tap-in is as defined by <a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk</a>

2011-12, Premier League

Edin (a) 108 (b) 302 (c) 79 R: 5 L: 4 H: 4 pen: 0 Tap-in: 1
Kun (a) 112 (b) 258 (c) 78 R: 17 L: 2 H: 0 pen: 3 Tap-in: 1
Mario (a) 102 (b) 1329 (c) 95 R: 8 L:1 H: 0 pen: 3 Tap-in: 1
Carlos (a) 150 (b) 200 (c) 85 R: 2 L: 0 H: 1 pen: 0 Tap-in: 0

Career statistics:
Edin (a) 151 (b) 363 (c) 106
Kun (a) 156 (b) 378 (c) 110
Mario (a) 168 (b) 1056 (c) 124
Carlos (a) 186 (b) 376 (c) 125

van Persie (a) 241 (b) 490 (c) 162
Rooney (a) 174 (b) 395 (c) 174
Torres (a) 177 (b) 587 (c) 136

To sum up the careers, for anyone who really cannot abide numbers, Edin dominates all the above in terms both of goals and of assists (and obviously therefore in terms of goals + assists). If penalties were excluded, the results would favour Edin even more.

Above you were discussing Edin at Wolfsburg. From July 2007 to December 2010, in the Bundesliga, he scored 66 goals and had 28 assists (with 95 minutes per goal or assist). In contrast to the suggestion above that Edin scored lots of tap-ins at Wolfsburg, he is credited with 0 (zero) tap-ins by transfermarkt.co.uk. Edin and Grafite (who is now with Al-Ahli Dubai) formed a partnership in the true sense of the term. As far as I know, they always spoke with genuine warmth about each other and it is, in my view, not appropriate to claim that one was much better than the other (which you don't). What struck me as interesting was that, for the 2010-11 season, Grafite had 7 goals and 2 assists in 860 minutes before Edin left and 2 goals and 1 assist in 988 minutes after he left.

Some time ago, I analysed 54 goals that Edin Dzeko scored for Wolfsburg during calendar years 2009 and 2010. He scored 17 (31%) with his Head; 14 with his Left foot; and 23 with his Right foot. Of the 37 goals scored with his feet, 22 (59%) were scored with his first touch (so that, including headed goals, 39 out of 54 were scored with his first touch!). A further 6 were scored with his 2nd touch (i.e., first touch to control). Remarkably few could be described as 'scrappy' goals or involved deflections. As noted above, transfermarkt.co.uk had 0 of his Wolfsburg goals as tap-ins.

** To argue that it would be foolish to change our system to focus it all on Edin is to set up and put down a straw man: no-one is seriously arguing that. Many have made the convincing (self-evident) argument that it is good to have a "plan b". And as the above stats for 2011-12 show, Edin has done remarkably well operating in our "plan a". Any sensible "plan a" should be able to accommodate a striker who can score with both feet and with his head.

** Lest anyone think I am obsessed with statistics, Edin's one-touch-and-pass to Carlos for the latter's goal vs Notts County in the 5th round of the FACup, his fourth goal vs Spurs, his role in the goal against Arsenal... these were things of beauty!

** Lest anyone think that I am obsessed with Edin, my favourite striker is, in fact, Kun. I believe that Edin and Kun (both remarkably ego-light for strikers) could one of the best striking partnerships ever ..... if Roberto was committed to it.

interesting stats, young Mario needs to work a little harder at his assists - although when he does assist he sure as shit makes sure it as an important one!

 

[NipHolmes]

Go and watch YouTube vids of hid HLs and even they will show tap-ins as many goals were like that. That article is a good one but I'm in disbelief at the lack of tap in stats.

 

[fairyfeet]

At Wolfsburg he was their best striker and wasn't rotated. They played in a style better suited to him. If we field wingers then I'd keep him, but if we plan to continue in our style what we have won the league with then my point is valid.

He's a great lad and a good player, I simply feel we don't play to his strengths and nor should we. We should play to the strengths of the TEAM and how Mancini feels we will perform best. To change a style of play to get the most out of a single player seems ridiculous when his name isn't Messi.

-- Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:33 pm --



The club would if they wan't more than they have been offered.

I see Dzeko at Milan or Juventus and I see Kolorov at Inter.


Not bothered where I see Savic as long as it's not in our line up.

He wasn't though Nip. Their best striker was Grafite, and Wolfsburg didn't play with out and out wingers, they had an attacking midfielder just behind the front two (forget his name Man.. sumit). Wolfsburg won the title playing a quick passing game, closing down the opposition when they didn't have the ball. A similar style to ours, but much more direct.

Are you on crack? Ask literally any person who watches Bundesliga regulary or any Wolfsburg fan and they will tell you Grafite isn't anywhere near Dzeko's ability. He had 1 good season, Edin had 3.

The reason he got a similar goal tally to Edin in one season was because he took a shit load of penaltys.


And it's true Wolfsburg never played with wingers, only wingbacks and an attacking creative midfielder behind the front 2, was Misimovic (also Bosnian), one of the most creative playmakers in bundesliga history, he got 20 assists in one season once and broke loads of records.

Reel your neck in pal. I've lived here for 12 years so i've seen a fair bit of the Bundesliga and Wolfsburg. As for Grafite having one good season?? 59 goals in 107 apps compares pretty well with Edins record. I stand by what i say which you confirmed, no wingers and attacking midfielder just behind the front two which was indeed Misimovic - I said Man..sumit as i couldn't remember his name straight off.

 

[sbm]

Go and watch YouTube vids of hid HLs and even they will show tap-ins as many goals were like that. That article is a good one but I'm in disbelief at the lack of tap in stats.

The ambiguity of what constitutes a "tap-in" is precisely why I stated "as defined by <a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk</a>" (and I don't know how the latter do define one). An important consideration is obviously that there be some consistency over the treatment of different players.

As others have stressed, a "tap-in" can also result from good anticipation and movement off the ball by the player concerned. That should be kept in mind when watching the following videos (on which I based my facts about his goals and the claim about very few being 'scrappy'):

For all Edin's 2009 goals:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PgRbwml9rg&feature=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PgRbwml ... re=related</a>

For his best 2010 goals:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opruZtN2EAA&feature=fvsr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opruZtN2EAA&feature=fvsr</a>

 

[Sir peace frog]

and what exactly is wrong with tap ins ?.

a good striker is in the right place at the right time ie tap ins.