Damocles said:Mike N said:Damocles said:So no then, you don't get to many games from Indonesia so have no idea what "our loyal fans" do each week. Unlike you, I do manage to get there and know that you're talking shit.
Everybody gets isolated abuse from certain fans and has done for donkey's years. Dzeko is one of the more liked players by the crowd and gets his name sang every week. I don't give a shit if you're Billy Meredith's Dad, your opinion on what the current City crowd does is bollocks and wrong
You sound like a proper boring bully.
Whereas that post from you added loads to the conversation. At least me and Shirley are making a point.
nmc said:oakiecokie said:cleavers said:I've both supported him, and complained about him on this thread before now, and have deliberately not posted on it since Saturday, as when I did I wanted to do so with a degree of impartiality.
I'm sorry though, he was piss poor on Saturday, pretty much back to the awful Plzen (H) performance (his worst performance in a City shirt).
The miss, ridiculous though it was, was the least of my concerns, it was virtually everything else he did, or more often than not didn't do.
His movement was dreadful, his first touch generally poor, his hold up play was none existant, he had one decent knock on header all game, I don't remember him making a single challenge, he had one decent effort on goal when Negredo laid it on for him, but that, the one header I mentioned, and one clearance in our box, was the sum total of his positive contributions, and its a pretty lame effort for 90 minutes, but the worst thing of all, was that he put more effort into nearly breaking his foot on the post, than pretty well everything else he did, and that was stupidity because we'd already lost Jovetic, and we have Aguero still not fit, so he was risking a really stupid injury, for absolutely nothing, ahead of a cup final, the act of an idiot, frustrated or not.
He's generally played well in recent weeks, so why he has suddenly returned to this, I've no idea, but I hope he snaps out of it quickly. Those blaming the fans for it though are just wrong, the cause is his, not people complaining about him, and if he plays like that I'm afraid he deserves to get some stick.
Bloody hell,cleavers,it could have been me writing that,word for word.
As I`ve said before many a time on this subject,I have supported Dzeko for ages,but I cannot continue but vent my anger and frustration at a guy,who couldn`t trap fucking bag of cement.The effort he puts in is virtually ziltch and never in my life have I seen a big guy go down so easily,at the mere touch on him by a defender.
Enough is enough and he needs to look for pastures new,as it sure aint working at City.
Two things stood out on Saturday - firstly when Jovetic's drive was parried - what exactly was Dzeko doing - he certainly wasn't following up - as he should have been; and secondly the awful miss was a result of poor technique and or laziness. He should have opened his body, let the ball run across him and rolled it in with his left foot - instead he stood still and tried to bend his right foot around the ball - and as a result he ended up making contact with his standing foot.
Shirley said:Damocles said:Mike N said:You sound like a proper boring bully.
Whereas that post from you added loads to the conversation. At least me and Shirley are making a point.
It wasn't much of a conversation though if you can only accuse me of talking shit.
When you have been to as many games as I have, home, away and in Europe then perhaps you can question my knowledge and loyalty.
I'm a Wythenshawe lad probably a lot older than you and grew up standing on the Kippax, you maybe in a position to think you know more than me but somehow I doubt it.
Damocles said:Shirley said:Damocles said:Whereas that post from you added loads to the conversation. At least me and Shirley are making a point.
It wasn't much of a conversation though if you can only accuse me of talking shit.
When you have been to as many games as I have, home, away and in Europe then perhaps you can question my knowledge and loyalty.
I'm a Wythenshawe lad probably a lot older than you and grew up standing on the Kippax, you maybe in a position to think you know more than me but somehow I doubt it.
Why are you struggling with such a simple concept again?
I don't care if you personally massaged Bert Trautmann's helmet, nor if you grew up on Kippax Street. The fact is that you can't talk about what the crowd does and doesn't do in a stadium that you're thousands of miles away from better than somebody who was in that stadium.
drthingy said:I know I'm just repeating What has been said but at the game I thought he was poor and really pissed me offmasmitndidnt look like he was puttin the effort in, but I've just watched the extended highlights on the OS and it looks like other than the miss he had a good game.
levets said:drthingy said:I know I'm just repeating What has been said but at the game I thought he was poor and really pissed me offmasmitndidnt look like he was puttin the effort in, but I've just watched the extended highlights on the OS and it looks like other than the miss he had a good game.
Agree... his horrendous miss spoilt a good game for him...
Negredo on the other hand... didn't have a horrendous miss... but did absolutely Jack Shit and hasn't done since his injury at WHU. He's becoming even less mobile than Dzeko...
They BOTH need our support... neither are 'shit' however and both are City players.
Everything you're saying is, at best, from second hand information. Someone who was there has told you what happened, or a commentator who was there has said something, or over the TV you believe you've accurately heard what the crowd is doing at a football match. None of those things is as good as actually being there and beign able to hear, first hand, what is going on in the seats directly around you, and slightly further afield. I go to all the matches we play at the Etihad, and my seat is in the section to the left of the away fans, in the blocks that stand and sing fairly constantly. Of course there are grumbles when Dzeko doesn't put in effort, or when he drops a bollock like aganst Stoke, but to say he's beign booed, and to class him as "the new boo boy" is simply inaccurate. Your continual assertion that you are right, without any first hand information to back it up, is irritating.Shirley said:Damocles said:Shirley said:It wasn't much of a conversation though if you can only accuse me of talking shit.
When you have been to as many games as I have, home, away and in Europe then perhaps you can question my knowledge and loyalty.
I'm a Wythenshawe lad probably a lot older than you and grew up standing on the Kippax, you maybe in a position to think you know more than me but somehow I doubt it.
Why are you struggling with such a simple concept again?
I don't care if you personally massaged Bert Trautmann's helmet, nor if you grew up on Kippax Street. The fact is that you can't talk about what the crowd does and doesn't do in a stadium that you're thousands of miles away from better than somebody who was in that stadium.
Are you deaf and blind, just read the posts on here for starters.
Do you think I don't talk to friends and family who go to the games each week?
If I'm not at the games I watch them live on tv and I am not deaf, even the commentators have mentioned it.
Why are you denying Dzeko is becoming the new boo boy, he is not the first.
jknight said:I would never boo a player wearing a City shirt - I think sometimes fans can't help but react negatively to a bad miss in front of an open goal. But even after that you've got to let it go - it's pointless getting on a player's back - it's also counter productive to the team.
Having said that Dzeko's been with us now for over 2 years. How long do you give a player to find his form and consistency? He can't complain this year that he's not getting enough starts but the longer the season goes on the more chances he's mssing and the more his confidence suffers. On some days some of his play is ok and on other days it's awful but in the two years that he's been here I've never been convinced either by his talents as a finisher or his general footballing abilities to make it a top Premiership team. He seems like a decent bloke and in the right team I'm sure he would be successful but two years is enough time IMO to prove that he's not got a future at City. We can't afford to carry passengers any more.
akcity said:Mike N said:Some of the fans on here should be ashamed of the criticism of Dzeko. Wonder what some of you lot will do if he bangs one in on Sunday? Refuse to celebrate? No, of course you wont because he's a Blue and he'll be trying to win the cup for us!
Why didn't he try and win the Stoke game for us?
I have never before seen such lack of effort. Some say he's a confidence player, with his goals per game stats and the current run he is getting in the team, he should be full of confidence and effort.
Time to go in the summer, or at least to be played in his more effective position, coming on from the bench.
FromPollockToSilva said:jknight said:I would never boo a player wearing a City shirt - I think sometimes fans can't help but react negatively to a bad miss in front of an open goal. But even after that you've got to let it go - it's pointless getting on a player's back - it's also counter productive to the team.
Having said that Dzeko's been with us now for over 2 years. How long do you give a player to find his form and consistency? He can't complain this year that he's not getting enough starts but the longer the season goes on the more chances he's mssing and the more his confidence suffers. On some days some of his play is ok and on other days it's awful but in the two years that he's been here I've never been convinced either by his talents as a finisher or his general footballing abilities to make it a top Premiership team. He seems like a decent bloke and in the right team I'm sure he would be successful but two years is enough time IMO to prove that he's not got a future at City. We can't afford to carry passengers any more.
He signed in January 2011, he's been here for over three years.
taconinja said:I'm still annoyed about his lack of action when Jovetic shot. The only defense I've heard is that it was Jovetic in the wrong for not passing the ball to someone seemingly unable to knock in a ball from a foot outside the goal. That is frankly a ludicrous defense.
Other than a bit of a goal slump, I think he's had a great season so far. He's had a lot of good matches and some excellent ones. Of course, some will only remember his mistakes, but it's undeniable that when Kun got injured the first time, Dzeko filled in well, resulting in us not skipping a beat.jknight said:FromPollockToSilva said:jknight said:I would never boo a player wearing a City shirt - I think sometimes fans can't help but react negatively to a bad miss in front of an open goal. But even after that you've got to let it go - it's pointless getting on a player's back - it's also counter productive to the team.
Having said that Dzeko's been with us now for over 2 years. How long do you give a player to find his form and consistency? He can't complain this year that he's not getting enough starts but the longer the season goes on the more chances he's mssing and the more his confidence suffers. On some days some of his play is ok and on other days it's awful but in the two years that he's been here I've never been convinced either by his talents as a finisher or his general footballing abilities to make it a top Premiership team. He seems like a decent bloke and in the right team I'm sure he would be successful but two years is enough time IMO to prove that he's not got a future at City. We can't afford to carry passengers any more.
He signed in January 2011, he's been here for over three years.
You're right - I stand corrected. So I ask again is 3 years long enough to decide whether a player is the right man for the job? I think he's had ample time to convince people - particularly this season