Edin Dzeko (continued)

[Damocles]

Dzeko is very good player, especially when you consider he is not an automatic first choice., probably one of the best you could reasonably expect us go have in these circumstances. If he was any better he'd wanna be an automatic first choice of he'd be off.

Brilliant to start some and come on in other games, who realistically could we have that is better and would be content being a squad come fringe first team player..... Anyone, please.

Dzeko has played 38 games so far this year with 27 starts and there's 11 games left.

We could get any striker in the world with that gametime.

-- Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:16 pm --

How many top flight goals in a major European league you reckon Gud will score in the next five seasons ? I'd bet you £10 now it'll be less than 20.

Last season alone he scored over 20 goals in a major European league.

 

[pudge]

Get over yourself Pudge you sound like one of these boring European football know it alls ffs

If those names you snatch from thin air really support your theory then they're the exception to the rule.

How old were they all when they broke through ? How old's Gud ? Anelka won the title at Arse when he was a teenager.

How many top flight goals in a major European league you reckon Gud will score in the next five seasons ? I'd bet you £10 now it'll be less than 20.

Get over myself?

Im not the one declaring one of our youth players a "half decent championship player" even though i know "fuck all" about our youth teams.

Your rather definitve conclusion would suggest you need to get over yourself.

The names i mentioned are just a few players that were sold by teams when they were younger but have had some rather good careers to say the least. But they are the exception of course, every other young player not playing first team football is destined for lower league semi stardom.

RIP Guidetti.

Also, i suppose you tried to help yourself by saying "major european league" as Guidetti scored quite a few in Holland last year, given their respective clubs historys and players from said league, some may argue its not too shabby.

 

[Santiago Street]

And yes Pudge I would've thought that the vast majority, probably 95% or more, of players who don't break through into the first team are lower league level.

In fairness yes I am ignorant of Gud's skills. Never watch the kids and never watch Dutch football. Wouldn't know him if I bumped in to him. I make the point about major Euro leagues as they are roughly comparable with the PL in terms of quality.

My point that Gud is nothing other than a half decent div2 striker is purely based on common sense based on these facts ;

A succession of managers don't pick him at City.

No other club in a major euro league bought him.

He can't get in Stoke's team.

Now you'll probably refer to his illness and tell me all kind of teams were in for him but that cuts no ice with me. But the bare fact is at the age of 22 he hasn't made it yet so surely the law of averages says he isn't going to.

Is that really an ignorant viewpoint ?

I've nothing against the lad, I hope he proves me wrong and bangs in 20 goals for us next season

 

[pudge]

Id also like to take that bet you have offered although given the time frame whats the point

 

[noise]

Dzeko is very good player, especially when you consider he is not an automatic first choice., probably one of the best you could reasonably expect us go have in these circumstances. If he was any better he'd wanna be an automatic first choice of he'd be off.

Brilliant to start some and come on in other games, who realistically could we have that is better and would be content being a squad come fringe first team player..... Anyone, please.

Dzeko has played 38 games so far this year with 27 starts and there's 11 games left.

We could get any striker in the world with that gametime.

-- Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:16 pm --

How many top flight goals in a major European league you reckon Gud will score in the next five seasons ? I'd bet you £10 now it'll be less than 20.

Last season alone he scored over 20 goals in a major European league.

You mean like Altidore? And wasn't that 2 seasons ago?

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Think edin might be better situated to playing up front on his own looked like that in the last 2 games I, d play him kn his own up front until we get segio fully fit with silva yaya and nasri supporting him.

 

[pudge]

And yes Pudge I would've thought that the vast majority, probably 95% or more, of players who don't break through into the first team are lower league level.

In fairness yes I am ignorant of Gud's skills. Never watch the kids and never watch Dutch football. Wouldn't know him if I bumped in to him. I make the point about major Euro leagues as they are roughly comparable with the PL in terms of quality.

My point that Gud is nothing other than a half decent div2 striker is purely based on common sense based on these facts ;

A succession of managers don't pick him at City.

No other club in a major euro league bought him.

He can't get in Stoke's team.

Now you'll probably refer to his illness and tell me all kind of teams were in for him but that cuts no ice with me. But the bare fact is at the age of 22 he hasn't made it yet so surely the law of averages says he isn't going to.

Is that really an ignorant viewpoint ?

I've nothing against the lad, I hope he proves me wrong and bangs in 20 goals for us next season

No, but saying you wouldn't recognise him if you bumped into him, dont watch any youth team football or his time in the Eredivise and admit to knowing "fuck all" about our youth teams but coming to the conclusion that he has the potential to be a "half decent championship" striker is.

I digress though, boo Edin.

 

[Damocles]

Dzeko is very good player, especially when you consider he is not an automatic first choice., probably one of the best you could reasonably expect us go have in these circumstances. If he was any better he'd wanna be an automatic first choice of he'd be off.

Brilliant to start some and come on in other games, who realistically could we have that is better and would be content being a squad come fringe first team player..... Anyone, please.

Dzeko has played 38 games so far this year with 27 starts and there's 11 games left.

We could get any striker in the world with that gametime.

-- Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:16 pm --

How many top flight goals in a major European league you reckon Gud will score in the next five seasons ? I'd bet you £10 now it'll be less than 20.

Last season alone he scored over 20 goals in a major European league.

You mean like Altidore? And wasn't that 2 seasons ago?

Yeah like Altidore. And like Suarez. And Van Nistelrooy. And I don't have to name every good player out of Holland as I'll be here all day.

Might have been two seasons ago, his injury has thrown my memory.

The point is null really. This isn't about how good Guidetti is, it was just a throwaway option. It's how Dzeko has consistently underperformed for City over his time here and people get taken in by the odd moment of brilliance and his rapid, unending, completely biased fanbase who will never accept that their hero isn't the best player in the world and will make a million excuses for him.

You'll all be gone in July. None of you will stick around because none of you give a shit about City which we can tell from your consistent insulting of how us fans have "treated" Dzeko by singing his name every week and paying him £150,000 a week. And good riddance to you.

 

[SWP's back]

Why do people rave on about Gudetti ? How can they, based on one game they've seen him play for us ? Would anyone in their right mind really think that over the course of a season he's a better bet than Edin ?

Maybe they're just trying to demonstrate to everyone how much they know about our youth team.

Edin's world class.

Gudetti's potentially a half decent championship striker

That's one lousy definition of world class you must have.

 

[Davs 19]

Why do people rave on about Gudetti ? How can they, based on one game they've seen him play for us ? Would anyone in their right mind really think that over the course of a season he's a better bet than Edin ?

Maybe they're just trying to demonstrate to everyone how much they know about our youth team.

Edin's world class.

Gudetti's potentially a half decent championship striker

That's one lousy definition of world class you must have.

Indeed. Real, Barca, Bayern et al are breaking down the door to sign him aren't they ?

World class ? Not remotely close.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:17 pm --<br /><br />

Why do people rave on about Gudetti ? How can they, based on one game they've seen him play for us ? Would anyone in their right mind really think that over the course of a season he's a better bet than Edin ?

Maybe they're just trying to demonstrate to everyone how much they know about our youth team.

Edin's world class.

Gudetti's potentially a half decent championship striker

That's one lousy definition of world class you must have.

Indeed. Real, Barca, Bayern et al are breaking down the door to sign him aren't they ?

World class ? Not remotely close.

 

[Santiago Street]

Fair comment. World class is an overused phrase. There are probably only 6 or 7 world class strikers playing today.

He's in the next batch though. Not bad for a 2nd/3rd choice striker

 

[noise]

Dzeko has played 38 games so far this year with 27 starts and there's 11 games left.

We could get any striker in the world with that gametime.

-- Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:16 pm --



Last season alone he scored over 20 goals in a major European league.

You mean like Altidore? And wasn't that 2 seasons ago?

Yeah like Altidore. And like Suarez. And Van Nistelrooy. And I don't have to name every good player out of Holland as I'll be here all day.

Might have been two seasons ago, his injury has thrown my memory.

The point is null really. This isn't about how good Guidetti is, it was just a throwaway option. It's how Dzeko has consistently underperformed for City over his time here and people get taken in by the odd moment of brilliance and his rapid, unending, completely biased fanbase who will never accept that their hero isn't the best player in the world and will make a million excuses for him.

You'll all be gone in July. None of you will stick around because none of you give a shit about City which we can tell from your consistent insulting of how us fans have "treated" Dzeko by singing his name every week and paying him £150,000 a week. And good riddance to you.

yawn

 

[Damocles]

You mean like Altidore? And wasn't that 2 seasons ago?

Yeah like Altidore. And like Suarez. And Van Nistelrooy. And I don't have to name every good player out of Holland as I'll be here all day.

Might have been two seasons ago, his injury has thrown my memory.

The point is null really. This isn't about how good Guidetti is, it was just a throwaway option. It's how Dzeko has consistently underperformed for City over his time here and people get taken in by the odd moment of brilliance and his rapid, unending, completely biased fanbase who will never accept that their hero isn't the best player in the world and will make a million excuses for him.

You'll all be gone in July. None of you will stick around because none of you give a shit about City which we can tell from your consistent insulting of how us fans have "treated" Dzeko by singing his name every week and paying him £150,000 a week. And good riddance to you.

yawn

I see your skills of extolling the virtues of your favourite player haven't slightened at all. Maybe you shouldn't post here in a City fans forum is you find City fans so tiresome?

 

[noise]

Yeah like Altidore. And like Suarez. And Van Nistelrooy. And I don't have to name every good player out of Holland as I'll be here all day.

Might have been two seasons ago, his injury has thrown my memory.

The point is null really. This isn't about how good Guidetti is, it was just a throwaway option. It's how Dzeko has consistently underperformed for City over his time here and people get taken in by the odd moment of brilliance and his rapid, unending, completely biased fanbase who will never accept that their hero isn't the best player in the world and will make a million excuses for him.

You'll all be gone in July. None of you will stick around because none of you give a shit about City which we can tell from your consistent insulting of how us fans have "treated" Dzeko by singing his name every week and paying him £150,000 a week. And good riddance to you.

yawn

I see your skills of extolling the virtues of your favourite player haven't slightened at all. Maybe you shouldn't post here in a City fans forum is you find City fans so tiresome?

I think you misunderstood. I don't find other City fans boring. Just the troll moderator who's using the same rhetoric that's been repeatedly posted here for the last 3 years.

 

[Davs 19]

yawn

I see your skills of extolling the virtues of your favourite player haven't slightened at all. Maybe you shouldn't post here in a City fans forum is you find City fans so tiresome?

I think you misunderstood. I don't find other City fans boring. Just the troll moderator who's using the same rhetoric that's been repeatedly posted here for the last 3 years.

Ironing at it's best.

 

[Damocles]

I think you misunderstood. I don't find other City fans boring. Just the troll moderator who's using the same rhetoric that's been repeatedly posted here for the last 3 years.

Here's the difference.

You see three year old complaints from numerous City fans on a player as boring.

I see them as evidence that he hasn't progressed at all.

You are absolutely the last person in the world to have a conversation on the relevant merits of Dzeko with. I may as well talk to the KKK about the perils of segregation. It's talking to a brick wall because you and your friends are completely unable to have a rational conversation about it simply because you're not football fans, you're Dzeko fans.

It's asking a Justin Bieber fan to have a conversation about the merits of different progressions. It doesn't matter what you say because the answer is that whatever Justin Bieber says is right and whatever he does is right. The entire opinion is self contained to warp every answer to put Bieber in the best possible light.

This is why I consistently slag you lot off. Because I actually would like to talk to my fellow City fans about a player which is worth a discussion just as we do with every other player in the squad. Instead I get you bellends with your pass completion stats and ridiculous rationalisations.

 

[noise]

I think you misunderstood. I don't find other City fans boring. Just the troll moderator who's using the same rhetoric that's been repeatedly posted here for the last 3 years.

Here's the difference.

You see three year old complaints from numerous City fans on a player as boring.

I see them as evidence that he hasn't progressed at all.

You are absolutely the last person in the world to have a conversation on the relevant merits of Dzeko with. I may as well talk to the KKK about the perils of segregation. It's talking to a brick wall because you and your friends are completely unable to have a rational conversation about it simply because you're not football fans, you're Dzeko fans.

It's asking a Justin Bieber fan to have a conversation about the merits of different progressions. It doesn't matter what you say because the answer is that whatever Justin Bieber says is right and whatever he does is right. The entire opinion is self contained to warp every answer to put Bieber in the best possible light.

This is why I consistently slag you lot off. Because I actually would like to talk to my fellow City fans about a player which is worth a discussion just as we do with every other player in the squad. Instead I get you bellends with your pass completion stats and ridiculous rationalisations.

I see facts and stats are preventing you from slagging him. I get it. Stats can be a pain when they have a pro Dzeko bias.

 

[Damocles]

I see facts and stats are preventing you from slagging him. I get it. Stats can be a pain when they have a pro Dzeko bias.

Stats are NOT indicative of talent nor how somebody played. Maybe if you went to a game every now and again you could actually see what everybody is telling you?

 

[Corky]

Most good strikers tend NOT to stand out. We're not talking your Ronaldo's or your Messi's here. We are talking your Gerd Muller, Peter Osgood, Martin Chivers. Your Greaves, Neil Young and Ian Rush, your Lewandowski, Manduzic and Thomas Muller. Their main strength is often the fact that they are in the right place at the right time and have the ability to make a finish look easy.
I'm not saying Dzeko has had a great season; but I am saying it is not necessary for a striker to stand out in games to be a good striker.

Greaves took players on with a great turn of pace as his biggest assest and Young was more of a winger.

Football has changed, one dimensional strikers don't exist any more at the top level.

Neil Young was an inside forward, not a winger

In a 3 man attack the one on the right, inside forward or winger? No difference really.

Centre forward target man as suggested he was not. Inside forwards became a miss-used term once teams stopped playing five up front.

 

[noise]

I see facts and stats are preventing you from slagging him. I get it. Stats can be a pain when they have a pro Dzeko bias.

Stats are NOT indicative of talent nor how somebody played. Maybe if you went to a game every now and again you could actually see what everybody is telling you?

Stats don't align with your sentiments about him. Your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion differs, but it just so happens that it's corroborated by the stats. If majority of fans think he's a donkey then I side with the minority, fine by me.