Edin Dzeko

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kanovic said:
I'm Bosnian but I did not come here for dzeko I came here a year before but I still don't like when people call him dogshit because he simply is not. The guy scores goals he may not make it look pretty but he does. If we sell him to Chelsea or arsenal it will bite us in the ass just wait and see. I would keep him at least till jan with the new coach and of it does not work sell him.

You might not like it mate but that's their opinion. I've questioned Dzeko's commitent and temperament but you might be right if he goes to Chelsea (with Mourinho's mythical man management skills) he may just turn into the player we wished we'd bought. I agree with you about January but if we keep Tevez and buy another top class striker will Edin be happy to stay and compete for his place?
 
kanovic said:
I'm Bosnian but I did not come here for dzeko I came here almost a year before but I still don't like when people call him dogshit because he simply is not. The guy scores goals he may not make it look pretty but he does. If we sell him to Chelsea or arsenal it will bite us in the ass just wait and see. I would keep him at least till jan with the new coach and of it does not work sell him.
And that's a perfectly fine, and valid, opinion.

The opinions that cause issues are those, almost invariably from Bosnian supporters, where they can't see anything Dzeko does from a objective viewpoint. It's always the manager, the tactics, the formation, the wind direction, the colour of his socks, it's never a lack of ability or aptitude from Edin.

No-one is saying Dzeko is a poor footballer, and most will accept that things haven't always been setup in a way that allows Dzeko to maximise his talents, but there needs to be some meeting of us in the middle on this one. For every time there's been a tactical decision that has hindered him, there's also been a lack of movement, or a poor first touch to counter it. Dzeko is a good player, but he's not a great player, given the resources at City's disposal, and our aims, is good really good enough?<br /><br />-- Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:26 pm --<br /><br />
badman said:
Matty said:
badman said:
Well I have no problems with our Bosnian friends. No problem whatsoever.

Unfortunately some nasty people on this forum keep going on about "the bosnians" .. "the plastics" etc. These are veiled racist remarks and the sooner the moderaters realized this and dealt with these people the better.

I was once called a "Bosnian" (as if there's something wrong with being one) because I was praising Edin Dzeko on this forum.

Don't half quote me.

The point I made was accurate, salient, respectful and above all, MY OPINION. This is a forum, we discuss our differing views. Don't attempt to tell me how to moderate the forum.

I just did. Go ahead and ban me. I don't want nothing to do with a forum that allows people to make racist remarks.
Check the CofC, there's a section specifically related to racist comments. If you feel something is racist then report it. However I don't believe there's been anything in this thread that resembles racism.

On the half quoting front, when half quoting someone either makes their original quote irrelevant, or changes the meaning of it completely so as to portray them as having said something else entirely, then that's unacceptable. Don't do it again. I'm not going to ban you just because you ask me to, but please, if you don't want anything to do with this forum then feel free to exercise your right to go away and not post/read any more.
 
badman said:
Matty said:
badman said:
Well I have no problems with our Bosnian friends. No problem whatsoever.

Unfortunately some nasty people on this forum keep going on about "the bosnians" .. "the plastics" etc. These are veiled racist remarks and the sooner the moderaters realized this and dealt with these people the better.

I was once called a "Bosnian" (as if there's something wrong with being one) because I was praising Edin Dzeko on this forum.

Don't half quote me.

The point I made was accurate, salient, respectful and above all, MY OPINION. This is a forum, we discuss our differing views. Don't attempt to tell me how to moderate the forum.

I just did. Go ahead and ban me. I don't want nothing to do with a forum that allows people to make racist remarks.
How exactly is it racist calling people from Bosnia 'Bosnians'?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
badman said:
Matty said:
Don't half quote me.

The point I made was accurate, salient, respectful and above all, MY OPINION. This is a forum, we discuss our differing views. Don't attempt to tell me how to moderate the forum.

I just did. Go ahead and ban me. I don't want nothing to do with a forum that allows people to make racist remarks.
How exactly is it racist calling people from Bosnia 'Bosnians'?

PMSL
 
Matty said:
The issues many of us have with our Bosnian fans can be summed up pretty quickly, and clearly. We believe that many of them aren't City fans. They are, in fact, fans of Edin Dzeko. They didn't care about, or even know too much about, City prior to Dzeko joining us, and they will be gone, and not give a shit about City, as soon as he moves on. Now I'm sure that's a generalisation and that there will be some who will, to one degree or another, stay as City fans, but there will definitely be a large number who will not. It's those fans who we City fans have a hard time dealing with, their opinions are tainted by their allegiancies to the player and not the greater good of the team. In fact, in some instances, I'm sure there will be some who would rather Dzeko started every game, and City struggled/lost than he sat out matches and City won.

On the wider issue of foreign fans and our acceptance of them into the City "family", I personally don't have too many issues with that. There will be some who, having berated United fans for years for coming from Malaysia, Singapore etc will struggle to come to terms with our growing fanbase in these far flung places. However, this is modern football, the most important thing in remaining competitive is money, pure and simple. The best way, especially now FFP has been introduced, to have money to spend, is through expanding your influence and tapping into foreign markets. Sales, sponsorship, and corporate partnerships will follow. It's a neccessary element of modern football, and we need to accept this as a fact.

One thing I will say is that, in my mind anyway, there will always be a certain cache with supporting your local team. Foreign fans may not accept, believe or even understand the difference, but it will always be there. Foreign fans will, I'm sure, identify with the club. They will like what the club stands for, how it handles itself, the way they play football. They'll see where we've come from, and where we're going, and they'll want to be a part of it. That's great, and it's a big part of why we all support a particular team, but what it doesn't address is that "extra" element. City are my local team. I've never lived more than about 10 miles from City's ground (whichever ground that may be, The Etihad, Maine Road or indeed Hyde Road). My dad was a City fan. His dad was a City fan. I grew up in an era when City were piss poor. My local school was filled with United and Liverpool fans, City were a joke. But they were MY joke. Did I want us to be a global power, winning trophies? God yes. Did it change my opinion, or affection for them, simply because whilst United had Mark Hughes and Bryan Robson, we had Kenny Clements? Of course not. I'd grown up a City fan, I was always going to be one come what may. I've watched us play aganst Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester United, but I've also watched us against Plymouth Argyle, Wycombe Wanderers, Grimsby Town and Lincoln City, all as equals. Football clubs began as community entities, over the next century or more that community link, to some, has seemed watered down, less important. Not to me. I could have found a club out there that did things I liked, that handled itself well, that played good football, that had come from modest surroundings to become a great side, one you'd be proud to be a part of. But I didn't. I was from Manchester. I was a City fan. Ultimately that was the only thing that mattered.


Good post, I liked your last two paragraphs.

But your first paragraph subtely sums up why there are fears of prejudice, not racism.

As a side note, racism can't be used in this scenario because racism was a human made notion that segregated people based on the color of their skin. Considering that we are the same color skin, it's not racism.

I have however seen prejudiced remarks on this forum. People don't see eye to eye when it comes to Edin Dzeko. Frustration breeds and English speaking fans will be quick to pull out the 'Bosnian' card as if that is some sort of tool to degrade that persons opinion regarding the player, players, manager or team. I've personally gotten pissed off from quite a few comments on here before.

This in fact whether you like it or not, IS prejudice. However this is not my site. Nor is it for a majority of us and if people don't like the rules or the effort in moderation then they are free to leave. The internet consists hundreds of thousands of sites.

A forum does not make you a fan, nor does it make you sheep. It is just a forum. Some of you need thicker skin out there.
 
jknight said:
kanovic said:
I'm Bosnian but I did not come here for dzeko I came here a year before but I still don't like when people call him dogshit because he simply is not. The guy scores goals he may not make it look pretty but he does. If we sell him to Chelsea or arsenal it will bite us in the ass just wait and see. I would keep him at least till jan with the new coach and of it does not work sell him.

You might not like it mate but that's their opinion. I've questioned Dzeko's commitent and temperament but you might be right if he goes to Chelsea (with Mourinho's mythical man management skills) he may just turn into the player we wished we'd bought. I agree with you about January but if we keep Tevez and buy another top class striker will Edin be happy to stay and compete for his place?
That's true. But I don't think tevez will stay. I think what bothers the Bosnians the most or at least me is for example when balotelli was here it seemed he could do no wrong. He could play like dogshit n Mancini would play him. Dzeko would score 5goals in 5-6games then get benched. My attitude as a player would change too. I am however also very ruthless when he plays like shit bc there have been a lot of game where he just does not seem to be trying but I feel he gets more flak for it then others especially this season. The whole team has been trash besides a few like zaba but people point out dzeko more then anyone. At least that's how I feel. Some people take the stuff to seriously though its a discussion forum and if you don't like what others say just don't reply mean reason why I don't have a lot of post lol I just want what is the best for city and if that mean get rid of any player I am down because I know we are in great hands and there is nothing but up for this great club.
 
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