BoyBlue_1985
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jimharri said:BosnianDragon said:
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But this is a forum where many assumptions are made and are right to be made. Real life and sport don't follow the rules of a court of law.samharris said:
So from the original post I quoted which said something like "without Džeko's goals against Spurs and Fulham the title race would have been over by November" I was right to question that assumption.
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I think the debate around Dzeko centres largely on what we City fans like to see from our players. It is funny that we all collectively want to see Guidetti play and many want him to be used as one of our first 3 or 4 strikers. This is based on one good season abroad and in spite of the fact he has had several injury problems.
We loved Tevez because he worked hard for the team and showed fight and determination. Players like that are ones we love to see as City fans. This is despite Tevez going awol and most of us forgiving him. Dzeko does what he has to do, he scores. Sometimes his touch is lacking but with a consistent run in the side and a shape that suits his play he will be very effective. That chance he took against Real I would back him to score 9 times out of 10, I wouldn't back any of our strikers more. He is a valuable piece of the puzzle, if we were to press high up the pitch and use Aguero to do a lot of the running, Dzeko staying up top and just bagging goals would work very effectively.
It is similar to Robinho and Elano in a way. Whilst they were capable of match winning moments they didnt leave it all on the pitch like Milner would do. Having a balanced side, which we now have should mean that players like Milner, Rodwell, Aguero etc who work hard off the ball can allow players like Yaya, Silva, Dzeko time and space to do their jobs more effectively.
Dzeko still needs to work hard and put effort in and not perform like he did at Spurs away but he does need some more slack from fans because he consistently scores goals.
We loved Tevez because he worked hard for the team and showed fight and determination. Players like that are ones we love to see as City fans. This is despite Tevez going awol and most of us forgiving him. Dzeko does what he has to do, he scores. Sometimes his touch is lacking but with a consistent run in the side and a shape that suits his play he will be very effective. That chance he took against Real I would back him to score 9 times out of 10, I wouldn't back any of our strikers more. He is a valuable piece of the puzzle, if we were to press high up the pitch and use Aguero to do a lot of the running, Dzeko staying up top and just bagging goals would work very effectively.
It is similar to Robinho and Elano in a way. Whilst they were capable of match winning moments they didnt leave it all on the pitch like Milner would do. Having a balanced side, which we now have should mean that players like Milner, Rodwell, Aguero etc who work hard off the ball can allow players like Yaya, Silva, Dzeko time and space to do their jobs more effectively.
Dzeko still needs to work hard and put effort in and not perform like he did at Spurs away but he does need some more slack from fans because he consistently scores goals.
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samharris said:
That is bullshit, and you know it.
We (the haters, as we are called) do not criticise Dzeko because he is a Bosnian, we do it because he more often than not, is a fucking liability in games.
He can be a great player, but needs to man the fuck up, and play for the team, not go on a half season strop because the boss did not give him a cuddle or started him when he failed to show up in the previous game.
As for the Bosnians (apart from a couple of them), he could score 3 own goals and they would still find a way of blaming every other player on the team but him.
Well, Sam, now's your chance. Prove to us all he's our best overall player. You sprint around ready to pull up anyone that has a criticism of Dzeko, so this is your chance for your shining moment. Tell us convincingly how he's been our best overall player the past two years.samharris said:
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I think we are going to have to accept that Dzeko is staying this season. It is disappointing, I would much rather have kept Tevez but I understand the club wanting to offload his wage and recuperate some of his transfer fee. I think there are currently a lot of myths going around on Bluemoon regarding Dzeko; Navas isn’t going to magically increase Dzeko’s productivity, over the last two and a half years whenever we have got the delivery to him aerially, he has rarely dominated opponents. Also, regarding him being a confidence player, this is bull shit. Tevez was treated equally as poor by Mancini who constantly dragged him off; regardless of how well he was playing. Yet still week in week out he would play at maximum capacity. We are a top team. Top teams don’t need confidence players. Adel Taarabt is a confidence player. Are Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero, Lukaku, Ronaldo, Messi, Falcao, Ibrahimovic and Cavani confidence players? No. They are top class players, no matter what system, no matter what manager, no matter how much playing time they get.
That being said, I do expect him to well for us this season if he starts in a lot of games. I think with Dzeko, you have to accept the good with the bad. Is his touch an abomination? Yes. Is he surprisingly weak for a big man? Yes. Is he powerful enough to beat opponents in the air? No. Will he miss a lot of chances? Yes. But, he will keep getting in the positions to miss those chances. Importantly, he will score 20+ goals for us.
One thing I can’t stand though is the Bosnian fans who come on Bluemoon and post comments like “Dzeko is your best player over the last two seasons”. It is infuriating. I hate it when they justify Dzeko’s mistakes by insulting our “midgets”. I hate how they refuse to acknowlage any of his short comings and pin the blame on our Manager, our Board, our fans, our other players. Isn’t it enough to just say, “Yes he is a limited player, but he will score you a guaranteed 20+ goals in the league”. No one wants to hear about how he is the second coming of Jesus Christ, because quite frankly, that’s absurd.
That being said, I do expect him to well for us this season if he starts in a lot of games. I think with Dzeko, you have to accept the good with the bad. Is his touch an abomination? Yes. Is he surprisingly weak for a big man? Yes. Is he powerful enough to beat opponents in the air? No. Will he miss a lot of chances? Yes. But, he will keep getting in the positions to miss those chances. Importantly, he will score 20+ goals for us.
One thing I can’t stand though is the Bosnian fans who come on Bluemoon and post comments like “Dzeko is your best player over the last two seasons”. It is infuriating. I hate it when they justify Dzeko’s mistakes by insulting our “midgets”. I hate how they refuse to acknowlage any of his short comings and pin the blame on our Manager, our Board, our fans, our other players. Isn’t it enough to just say, “Yes he is a limited player, but he will score you a guaranteed 20+ goals in the league”. No one wants to hear about how he is the second coming of Jesus Christ, because quite frankly, that’s absurd.
BoyBlue_1985
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samharris said:
I take every player very seriously. I dont hate Dzeko, well I did when he gave up last season because its nearly unforgivable to do that.
The problem people like this guy cause though are almost irreversible, it is beyond fantasy and bullshit what I highlighted he said. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I understand Bosnians have a love affair with there greatest export and even that is fair enough but what he wrote isn't just wrong its damaging to the other Bosnians who make decent points
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