Edin Dzeko

[samharris]

Shock as manager openly supports one of his players.

First major opportunity to get rid and Dzeko will be gone. Simple.

Spurs want him,Dortmund wanted him ...........tell me,is that not a major opportunity to get rid??



last time I looked,he's still here.

 

[Petetheblu]

Problem with Edin is he's just not quick enough in my fifa fut squad, same as Negredo he's not fast enough either.
Infact kun could be faster!!!!

I'd get rid of all of them, young and valencia would be great additions.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

Martin, diehard City fanatic, born and raised in Manchester, elaborated on myth-making with this:

For the 2012-13 premier league:

Dzeko 14 goals @ 130 minutes per goal
Aguero 12 goals @ 162 minutes per goal
Tevez 11 goals @ 218 minutes per goal

* Goals scored in the FIRST HALF: Dzeko 8; Aguero 4; Tevez 3.
* Goals scored in AWAY games: Dzeko 8; Aguero 4; Tevez 2.

* Defining a KEY goal as one scored when City were drawing or losing at the time of the goal:
Dzeko 10 key goals @ 182 mins per key goal
Aguero 7 key goals @ 277 mins per key goal
Tevez 7 key goals @ 342 mins per key goal

Indeed, had it not been for Dzeko’s match-winning goals against Fulham, West Brom and Spurs, City’s pursuit of the premier league would have effectively been over by mid-November. It was after one of those games that David Platt highlighted the critical goals Dzeko has scored for City:
“If you look at Edin’s career for Manchester City, the goals he has scored, he has got a lot of heavy goals, goals that are very important. I remember goals at Blackburn the season before last which more or less gave us Champions League qualification. You look back at last season as well and he got some vital goals. To win the league, Aguero’s goal will always be the one but remember Edin equalised.”

As regards comparisons with other strikers, if penalties are excluded, Suarez was the only premier league striker with a better minutes per goal performance than Edin Dzeko in 2012-013. For the 2011-12 premier league season, Dzeko scored at a rate of 107 minutes per goal (compared to 111 mpg for Golden Boot winner van Persie).

Now some myths:

The idea that Dzeko only offers goals is a myth. For example, courtesy of Opta sports, for the 2012-13 premier league:

* defensive clearances: Dzeko 17; Aguero 1; Tevez 1.
* blocked opponents shots: Dzeko 6; Aguero 0; Tevez 3.
* duels won: Dzeko 126; Aguero 113; Tevez 123.
* aerial duels won: Dzeko 87; Aguero 5; Tevez 13.
* goal assists in open play: Dzeko 3; Aguero 2; Tevez 5.
* clear-cut chances created for others: Dzeko 7; Aguero 5; Tevez 8.
* Using the Opta definition of assists, the MINUTES PER GOAL INVOLVEMENT (i.e., goals + assists) were: Dzeko 107; Aguero 139; Tevez 127.

The worst myth concerns Dzeko’s first touch. In fact, Dzeko had fewer unsuccessful touches than Tevez (45 versus 50) and overran the ball much less often than Tevez (1 versus 7).
Anyone who watches very carefully Dzeko’s goals for Wolfsburg and for City will see that he scores an astonishing proportion with his first touch.

(courtesy of Martin, diehard MC fanatic :
<a class="postlink" href="http://soccerlens.com/why-manchester-city-should-hold-on-to-edin-dzeko/111009/#comment-196027" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://soccerlens.com/why-manchester-ci ... ent-196027</a>)

Dribbling known in Latvia as "Legbreaker"

The thing is about this sort of thing is, who's to say someone else wouldn't have scored those goals at the times Džeko did? The team created the chances for him to score, so it's very likely that they could have created the chance for anyone else to score - we might have been gaining an ascendancy, the opposition might have been tiring and we could have scored without him. It was just that Džeko was on the pitch at the time these goals were scored. Who's to say that if Džeko hadn't been on the pitch we wouldn't have scored a couple of goals in that period?

You can't make assumptions about "if it weren't for Džeko we wouldn't..." because the situation could have been just as or even more positive had different players on the pitch during the period around these goals.

Plus it doesn't show who Agüero (or anyone) scored his goals against, were they all against lower teams, an even spread or goals against too sides?...Who scored the most against the top sides?
and it doesn't highlight some of Agüero's positives too (notice he was omitted from the part about first touches and overrunning the ball?).

It also doesn't show that Džeko can be easily knocked off his game and can really play within himself, he's also been a disgrace on a few occasions. So for all the winning goals he's scored, he's also had Spurs away, Everton away and others where he's been awful.

But it's still an interesting post overall. And goes to show for those who call Džeko useless or shit that he clearly isn't. Again those arguing that are wrong. But those arguing that he's world class are wrong n'all. The truth is somewhere on the positive side of inbetween.

If Pellegrini and his management team can get hold of him and iron out a few of his psychological downsides to his game, and make him realise that he's a big lad (he plays like he isn't and can be dominated easily by a defender) he could really start to become a good player.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Great goal the other day. Done alright this pre season. Still has the touch of a donkey raper but hopefully the coaches will get to grips with that over the season

 

[decmancity]

Shock as manager openly supports one of his players.

First major opportunity to get rid and Dzeko will be gone. Simple.

Spurs want him,Dortmund wanted him ...........tell me,is that not a major opportunity to get rid??


last time I looked,he's still here.

Any of them made an acceptable bid or any bid for that matter? We aren't going to sell him on the cheap because we don't need to sell him.
When Lewandowski moves to Bayern next summer I fully expect Dzeko to be at Dortmund soon after.

 

[samharris]

Martin, diehard City fanatic, born and raised in Manchester, elaborated on myth-making with this:

For the 2012-13 premier league:

Dzeko 14 goals @ 130 minutes per goal
Aguero 12 goals @ 162 minutes per goal
Tevez 11 goals @ 218 minutes per goal

* Goals scored in the FIRST HALF: Dzeko 8; Aguero 4; Tevez 3.
* Goals scored in AWAY games: Dzeko 8; Aguero 4; Tevez 2.

* Defining a KEY goal as one scored when City were drawing or losing at the time of the goal:
Dzeko 10 key goals @ 182 mins per key goal
Aguero 7 key goals @ 277 mins per key goal
Tevez 7 key goals @ 342 mins per key goal

Indeed, had it not been for Dzeko’s match-winning goals against Fulham, West Brom and Spurs, City’s pursuit of the premier league would have effectively been over by mid-November. It was after one of those games that David Platt highlighted the critical goals Dzeko has scored for City:
“If you look at Edin’s career for Manchester City, the goals he has scored, he has got a lot of heavy goals, goals that are very important. I remember goals at Blackburn the season before last which more or less gave us Champions League qualification. You look back at last season as well and he got some vital goals. To win the league, Aguero’s goal will always be the one but remember Edin equalised.”

As regards comparisons with other strikers, if penalties are excluded, Suarez was the only premier league striker with a better minutes per goal performance than Edin Dzeko in 2012-013. For the 2011-12 premier league season, Dzeko scored at a rate of 107 minutes per goal (compared to 111 mpg for Golden Boot winner van Persie).

Now some myths:

The idea that Dzeko only offers goals is a myth. For example, courtesy of Opta sports, for the 2012-13 premier league:

* defensive clearances: Dzeko 17; Aguero 1; Tevez 1.
* blocked opponents shots: Dzeko 6; Aguero 0; Tevez 3.
* duels won: Dzeko 126; Aguero 113; Tevez 123.
* aerial duels won: Dzeko 87; Aguero 5; Tevez 13.
* goal assists in open play: Dzeko 3; Aguero 2; Tevez 5.
* clear-cut chances created for others: Dzeko 7; Aguero 5; Tevez 8.
* Using the Opta definition of assists, the MINUTES PER GOAL INVOLVEMENT (i.e., goals + assists) were: Dzeko 107; Aguero 139; Tevez 127.

The worst myth concerns Dzeko’s first touch. In fact, Dzeko had fewer unsuccessful touches than Tevez (45 versus 50) and overran the ball much less often than Tevez (1 versus 7).
Anyone who watches very carefully Dzeko’s goals for Wolfsburg and for City will see that he scores an astonishing proportion with his first touch.

(courtesy of Martin, diehard MC fanatic :
<a class="postlink" href="http://soccerlens.com/why-manchester-city-should-hold-on-to-edin-dzeko/111009/#comment-196027" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://soccerlens.com/why-manchester-ci ... ent-196027</a>)

Dribbling known in Latvia as "Legbreaker"

The thing is about this sort of thing is, who's to say someone else wouldn't have scored those goals at the times Džeko did? The team created the chances for him to score, so it's very likely that they could have created the chance for anyone else to score - we might have been gaining an ascendancy, the opposition might have been tiring and we could have scored without him. It was just that Džeko was on the pitch at the time these goals were scored. Who's to say that if Džeko hadn't been on the pitch we wouldn't have scored a couple of goals in that period?

You can't make assumptions about "if it weren't for Džeko we wouldn't..." because the situation could have been just as or even more positive had different players on the pitch during the period around these goals.

Plus it doesn't show who Agüero (or anyone) scored his goals against, were they all against lower teams, an even spread or goals against too sides?...Who scored the most against the top sides?
and it doesn't highlight some of Agüero's positives too (notice he was omitted from the part about first touches and overrunning the ball?).

It also doesn't show that Džeko can be easily knocked off his game and can really play within himself, he's also been a disgrace on a few occasions. So for all the winning goals he's scored, he's also had Spurs away, Everton away and others where he's been awful.

But it's still an interesting post overall. And goes to show for those who call Džeko useless or shit that he clearly isn't. Again those arguing that are wrong. But those arguing that he's world class are wrong n'all. The truth is somewhere on the positive side of inbetween.

If Pellegrini and his management team can get hold of him and iron out a few of his psychological downsides to his game, and make him realise that he's a big lad (he plays like he isn't and can be dominated easily by a defender) he could really start to become a good player.

Yet this is excactly what you are doing fella..those stats are based on facts not assumptions that if Edin hadnt scored someone else may have..

You cant argue against the truth...facts are what 'has' happened..assumptions are what 'could' happen.. Big difference...sorry did I say big,I meant monumental..

We have posters on here who dont rate Dzeko and put him at 4th choice striker behind 3 players who are not prem tested..

Now thats monumental, and not in a good sense. Judge players on what they have done for City not what you think they will do..

These players have a 40 goal deficit 'each' to make up before theyve even matched Edins achievements at City..

The very same way the Pelle has to get 1 title,1 FA cup & 1 charity shield to match Bob.

Ps.thats not a dig a Pelle before anyone starts..

 

[EaglesFan]

So, according to press today - Dzeko is getting a "full vote of confidence" from Pelle.

Honestly - if that is true I think it's the best thing that could happen not only for Dzeko, but also for Pelle, teammates, even fans (including people on this forum).

He never got that under Roberto - so if he is given full support (even in "rough" patches) - I think everyone will finally see what he's got (be it for better or for worse).

It will get some myths out of the way, and it's about time. We'll either have ferocious striker or he'll be out in January. It'll be all on him, finally (I say that with a reason).

 

[samharris]

Shock as manager openly supports one of his players.

First major opportunity to get rid and Dzeko will be gone. Simple.

Spurs want him,Dortmund wanted him ...........tell me,is that not a major opportunity to get rid??


last time I looked,he's still here.

Any of them made an acceptable bid or any bid for that matter? We aren't going to sell him on the cheap because we don't need to sell him.
When Lewandowski moves to Bayern next summer I fully expect Dzeko to be at Dortmund soon after.

Not if hes top scorer you wont.

 

[Petetheblu]

I feel we're going to be having one of these moments shortly...

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=youtube_gdata_player" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRo ... ata_player</a>

 

[pominoz]

Yet this is excactly what you are doing fella..those stats are based on facts not assumptions that if Edin hadnt scored someone else may have..

You cant argue against the truth...facts are what 'has' happened..assumptions are what 'could' happen.. Big difference...sorry did I say big,I meant monumental..

We have posters on here who dont rate Dzeko and put him at 4th choice striker behind 3 players who are not prem tested..

Now thats monumental, and not in a good sense. Judge players on what they have done for City not what you think they will do..

These players have a 40 goal deficit 'each' to make up before theyve even matched Edins achievements at City..

The very same way the Pelle has to get 1 title,1 FA cup & 1 charity shield to match Bob.

Ps.thats not a dig a Pelle before anyone starts..

I think his point is in response to all the "if we did not have Dzeko, we would not have won the League" post's.
I agree with him and pointed it out many pages ago, if we did not have Dzeko we would have had another 25 million+ striker, that may have done much better.
The TEAM won the League, not Dzeko.