squirtyflower
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only thismoomba said:Dzeko was given every chance to secure his place in the starting lineup. His performances and efforts didnt justify him staying in the side.
only thismoomba said:Dzeko was given every chance to secure his place in the starting lineup. His performances and efforts didnt justify him staying in the side.
Blue skies over paradise said:That is so wrong. Dzeko was going to be sold in the summer but Pellegrini wanted him to stay.
pudge said:BosnianDiamond said:People that do not have money think that money is all they need to be happy. People who have it are not motivated by it. It is only one factor out of many.
Dzeko was named "first choice" only as a psychological ploy to give the appearance that he was given a chance. I think Pellegrini just said that so that he could justify dropping him later after a poor performance or two, which every striker is bound to have. Even after a stellar performance against Newcastle in the first match, Pellegrini refused to say that Dzeko played a great game because he did not score. Next game he scored against Cardiff, then he was replaced by Negredo in the following match after only playing 45 minutes.
He pretty much replaced him with Negredo at halftime who scored the winner in the second half. So Dzeko gets replaced after one half of a bad performance, and becomes the third choice striker almost overnight. That tells me that Pellegrini was never serious about building the attack around him in the first place. You do not replace your first choice striker just because he has one or two bad performances. Now you can rgue that Negredo forms a better partnership with Aguero, but let's not kid ourselves that Negredo wasn't always meant to be the second striker. Pellegrini was just playing mind games and I think he fully intends to sell Dzeko in January or during the summer transfer window.“I trust Edin Dzeko, it was a pity he didn’t score because he had a lot of chances and he played very well.
“We knew with the ball that he’s a very good player but I think he played very well without the ball tonight. He had some important chances and he deserved to score today.
Not exactly how you phrased it, is it?
Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.BosnianDiamond said:pudge said:BosnianDiamond said:People that do not have money think that money is all they need to be happy. People who have it are not motivated by it. It is only one factor out of many.
Dzeko was named "first choice" only as a psychological ploy to give the appearance that he was given a chance. I think Pellegrini just said that so that he could justify dropping him later after a poor performance or two, which every striker is bound to have. Even after a stellar performance against Newcastle in the first match, Pellegrini refused to say that Dzeko played a great game because he did not score. Next game he scored against Cardiff, then he was replaced by Negredo in the following match after only playing 45 minutes.
He pretty much replaced him with Negredo at halftime who scored the winner in the second half. So Dzeko gets replaced after one half of a bad performance, and becomes the third choice striker almost overnight. That tells me that Pellegrini was never serious about building the attack around him in the first place. You do not replace your first choice striker just because he has one or two bad performances. Now you can rgue that Negredo forms a better partnership with Aguero, but let's not kid ourselves that Negredo wasn't always meant to be the second striker. Pellegrini was just playing mind games and I think he fully intends to sell Dzeko in January or during the summer transfer window.“I trust Edin Dzeko, it was a pity he didn’t score because he had a lot of chances and he played very well.
“We knew with the ball that he’s a very good player but I think he played very well without the ball tonight. He had some important chances and he deserved to score today.
Not exactly how you phrased it, is it?
“He played well on Monday but not very, very well because for all the things he did in the last match, he must score. Then he will have played very well indeed."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...ini-tells-edin-dzeko-score-more-goals?cc=5901
noise said:Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.BosnianDiamond said:pudge said:Not exactly how you phrased it, is it?
“He played well on Monday but not very, very well because for all the things he did in the last match, he must score. Then he will have played very well indeed."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...ini-tells-edin-dzeko-score-more-goals?cc=5901
BosnianDragon said:noise said:Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.BosnianDiamond said:“He played well on Monday but not very, very well because for all the things he did in the last match, he must score. Then he will have played very well indeed."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...ini-tells-edin-dzeko-score-more-goals?cc=5901
Correct and objective. Negredo is MPs first choice (has full right on it) but not for obvious reasons.
So one comment holds more value than the other for what reason?noise said:Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.BosnianDiamond said:pudge said:Not exactly how you phrased it, is it?
“He played well on Monday but not very, very well because for all the things he did in the last match, he must score. Then he will have played very well indeed."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...ini-tells-edin-dzeko-score-more-goals?cc=5901
It's not even about comments. Not arguing semantics here. Proof is in the pudding. Dzeko was dropped, 2 and a half games into the season. 2 games in which I think most would agree his individual performance was great. Since then he's missed 4 matches without even being a sub. Compare that to Negredo who has played every single game since the season started one way or another.pudge said:So one comment holds more value than the other for what reason?noise said:Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.BosnianDiamond said:“He played well on Monday but not very, very well because for all the things he did in the last match, he must score. Then he will have played very well indeed."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...ini-tells-edin-dzeko-score-more-goals?cc=5901
Apart from the obvious...
Sorry, didn't mean to quote you. Not questioning your points.noise said:It's not even about comments. Not arguing semantics here. Proof is in the pudding. Dzeko was dropped, 2 and a half games into the season. 2 games in which I think most would agree his individual performance was great. Since then he's missed 4 matches without even being a sub. Compare that to Negredo who has played every single game since the season started one way or another.pudge said:So one comment holds more value than the other for what reason?noise said:Negredo full well deserves to be starting. Really he has been a fantastic signing. I really like him. But you're 100% right. Dzeko really wasn't given a chance he was promised.
Apart from the obvious...
I think we were just arguing how Dzeko hasn't played every game to put a shift in.sir baconface said:I don't normally cone on and knock Dzeko.
But when his "replacement" puts in a big shift every game, isn't there a learning point?
noise said:I think we were just arguing how Dzeko hasn't played every game to put a shift in.sir baconface said:I don't normally cone on and knock Dzeko.
But when his "replacement" puts in a big shift every game, isn't there a learning point?
Negredo hasn't missed a single game though. But you have a valid point.sir baconface said:noise said:I think we were just arguing how Dzeko hasn't played every game to put a shift in.sir baconface said:I don't normally cone on and knock Dzeko.
But when his "replacement" puts in a big shift every game, isn't there a learning point?
Neither has Negredo. It's about what they do in the games when they are picked.
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:Tony Adcock said:I'm not one of the serial Dzeko slaggers, far from it, and I know he did some good things in extra time, but for the first ninety minutes, he was a ghost. Was he actually on the pitch, in fact? Everything about his body language says "Consider me gone". Did anybody notice that he didn't celebrate his goal ?
Bits of that I agree with......but to say he did not celebrate his goal is just not true. A clear double fist pump and hug with Navas isn't enough ??!!
Evening all. I'll have my final say on this, and then won't bother you any further with a topic that, God knows, has been done to death on Bluemoon and then some.
Re Dzeko. I rest my case on this: go back to the highlights of West Brom away last season. We were huge that day. Huge. We were mean as fuck, ten men against eleven,on their turf, they're having a good run at that point, and we steal everything from them! A match I've watched many times, because that was the point where I thought, Yes, we can and will win back to back titles. Alas, one swallow does not etc. No need to dwell. Now credit where credit is due. To come on cold like that, hit two goals, turn the game round completely and nick the three points for us, that was monumental, and even the Dzeko nay-sayers have to concede it. Just look at Dzeko's celebrations, especially after the second, and compare with the Newcastle match. See the difference? Or if you prefer, go back to any match in the 2011-12 season in which he scores, and watch his behaviour. In fact, I've got a theory that the West Brom game was the beginning of the end between us and Edin because, at that point, or in the period following, he must've thought "What have I got to do to get a place in the starting line-up and play the full ninety minutes for a few matches in succession? What?" And if anyone's nerdy enough (as I am) to go back to their programme for the QPR game and look at the information on player appearances through the title winning season, you will see - I admit I was astonished myself - that even in that season, Dzeko was either substituted himself or brought on as a substitute or simply left on the bench without any playing time, for nearly all the games. Fact is he has, rightly or wrongly, I'm not getting into that, always been treated as a bench player by City, first by Mancini, now by Pellers. And again, rightly or wrongly, he doesn't see himself as a bench player. I hope what i've said up to now clearly shows that I am not a Dzeko basher just for the sake of it. But it is legitimate to criticize a player who gets paid big bucks and isn't putting in a shift. And that is now sadly the perception of a lot of us.
But behind all this, there is more important problem that isn't going to go away, the problem of genuinely big clubs. How do you buy a class player - if they are class - and then tell them "Sorry pal, we rate you and everything, but you've only got a bit part in this team, and you'll be spending most of your time on the bench". It's a problem that may loom up with Jovetic. It's called squaring the circle, and I'm glad I don't get paid to man-manage situations like that. Well, on to Norwich. Signing off...
Still think his best match was the 1st match against Newcastle, but that finish had pin point accuracy.fablue said:He played really well today.
His best match of this season.