England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

paulchapo said:
Mate you can throw as many stats and articles at us as you like to try and convince us that Southgate is a great manager, 95% of us aren't buying it.

Years ago the groups for qualifying for tournaments weren't seeded in favour of the big nations. As a result England and a few others didn't make it. This obviously impacted on TV viewing figures and crowds at tournaments. They soon realised their mistake and now qualifying groups are England hammering smaller teams and having maybe two half difficult games against an above average side. As a result we easily qualify.

We get to the tournament and scrape through a relatively easy group again to the knockout stages where we face a team we should beat. If we do that's where it starts to unravel. The chances are we face a decent side for the first time in ages. Southgate is then exposed for what he is, a lower premier league manager at best, or a championship manager, which is more his forte. He would be ideal at Norwich or a similar yo yo team. Romp to promotion looking good, then once he's in the presence of better quality fail miserably and get relegated.

The way the dice is loaded these days a nation like England should always reach the quarter final of a major tournament. If the fa and fans are happy with that stick with Southgate he can't fail.
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Virtually all international games are against sub-standard teams. It is lower than Championship level. Even the WC is poor till the later stages. Southgate has found his level. It is where he took Middlesborough,
 
There are 9 players who came through City’s academy in the latest U21 squad (Trafford, C Doyle, THB, Wilson-Esbrand, Lewis, McAtee, Palmer, Edozie and Delap)
 
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England are currently ranked 4th in the world. 2nd in Europe. I was pretty staggered to find us that high. But how many teams in the top ten would I be confident of us beating? I can’t think of a single one.
 
Ithryn Luin said:
I realise you love to brown nose Southgate from your previous posts, but your sarcasm falls down when the facts show we have only beaten one of those teams in knockout stages since 1966!
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and what's our record in the 70's/80's/90's got to do with Southgate and our current crop of young lads?
 
DenisHasDoneIt said:
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England are currently ranked 4th in the world. 2nd in Europe. I was pretty staggered to find us that high. But how many teams in the top ten would I be confident of us beating? I can’t think of a single one.
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how many top nations would be confident of beating England ?

reminder of our recent results. 1 defeat in our last 10. we was also top scorers at the world cup which is strange considering how negative and boring we are.

and we can only play what's in front of us.


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As expected, this thread is extremely long on anti-Southgate invective and extremely short on suggestions for who could replace him and do a better job. Strange how so many people can witter on in every thread about how terrible Southgate is, but never seem to suggest a better alternative. If he's so terrible, surely the great football minds here should not only be able to name possible replacements but also discuss their merits? But no, it's just easier to call Southgate a waistcoated wanker for the 137 billionth time and moan about him being an FA yes-man and being told to pick certain players, even though there is no evidence of this.
 
6 of ours ( some on loan) called up to the U21 ( Palmer of course now correctly listed as Chelsea)
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I really can’t be arsed with England games. Maybe a boring manager is to blame. I would rather no city player was selected
 
Stopfordia said:
As expected, this thread is extremely long on anti-Southgate invective and extremely short on suggestions for who could replace him and do a better job. Strange how so many people can witter on in every thread about how terrible Southgate is, but never seem to suggest a better alternative. If he's so terrible, surely the great football minds here should not only be able to name possible replacements but also discuss their merits? But no, it's just easier to call Southgate a waistcoated wanker for the 137 billionth time and moan about him being an FA yes-man and being told to pick certain players, even though there is no evidence of this.
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I think we rumbled our resident hammer's dual username. Though, looking at his posting history, he doesn't use it very often!
 
If you want a nice cuppa tea I'd say that Gareth's your man. I bet he'd even serve it with a plate of biscuits. That's the class that this guy has.

Pep wouldn't give you a nice hot beverage. He'd probably have you make it yourself like a pure langball.

You guys don't know how lucky ye are. FFS.

Try being an Irish football fan. Our manager doesn't even have a kettle.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Who cares as long as England play and do well? Which Southgate has done for years now.
EC final , WC semi final , very rarely lose. He’s built and quality foundation and spirit with young lads.
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We have a better squad (depth and consistently of the standard of players) than I’ve seen in my life. We have far more depth than when we had the so-called ‘Golden Generation’. This current crop is the most technically proficient and skilful set of players ever produced in this country and we have a manager who doesn’t know how to coach that standard of players.

Okay, we are not Brazil of 2002, but there are no teams of that quality in world football anymore. Apart from France and Argentina, we are there, around third best group of players on the planet for me.

While we aren’t 2002 Brazil, this list of names is better than Brazil (or Spain or Germany) have at present: Kane Foden Grealish Sterling Saka Maddison Rice Bellingham Eze Bowen Gordon Ward-Prowse Wilson Nketiah Rashford and that bloody idiot Toney (still a cracking player, when he’s allowed to play again)…

Yet Southgate’s tactics and team selection inhibits the quity at his disposal and inhibits our success.

It was Southgate’s tactics that saw us very nearly go out against Denmark in the Euros semi before even reaching the final, we got through despite Southgate that night. It was Southgate’s tactics that saw us relinquish a 1-0 lead at home against an inferior Italy team in the Euros final and it went to penalties (where he brought on two penalty takers on the final whistle who went up to take the penalties cold).

Similar to the Euros final, in the WC semi against Croatia, we went 1-0 up barely attacked again with any purpose to make it 2-0 all game. In both games we played like relegation fodder trying to hold on to a one goal lead we’d luckily nicked and had no quality to go on from there.

In last year’s WC he chopped and changed the midfield from game-to-game, always with the problem of whichever three were playing, they were too far away from each other considering the lack of pace in those selected and were too easy to dispossess and too easy to play through once we were dispossessed. If a team lacks pace, you have to condense the midfield area but he had us wide open.

We were relegated from a Nations League group that included the worst Germany and Italy teams of all-time, and Hungary.

If Moyes said he was retiring at the end of the season, would you want Southgate to take over at West Ham?
 
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