Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Centurions]

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Thanks for adding your insightful assumptions where you declare your thoughts on the 'surprise, assurance, more than likely and bollox'.
Basically you know as much or less than every other fooker on here so why try and score points off someone who may have been told info by someone who actually knows whats happening?
Just saying.

employment contracts at Eastlands ASDA= hard facts and not assumptions
some Johhny knowall from wigan= hard facts
buying the ASDA site, nothing official = hard facts

maybe your in denial or you just love gossip if its the later of the two spend some time on mums net 'just saying'

I'm wondering if a contract to work for ASDA is always tied to a specific location for work to be carried out?

And why, in this instance would new contracts be handed out and indeed signed by any employees?

I doubt their contracts would tie them to a specific location although that's a good point about why are they getting new contracts to sign. Perhaps the folk on here who claim to work there themselves or have family members/friends who work there could check? Is it location specific or has that part been removed perhaps?

 

[grim up north]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

as it wont be for a while i'd be very surprised if some bod down at Wigan has top knowledge when his fellow management chums at the Eastlands store have no idea, ''if'' there is some kind of bid for the land from city i can assure you at this stage its locked in a draw somewhere, there will be all sorts of complications if they downgrade store size , city may even compensate staff for loss of employment because job losses would not go down well in the local media it would destroy all we have done, rumour's are rife and its more than likely from stuff that's been posted on here, the Eastlands store has been giving new working contracts for new employee's which would certainly indicate its all bollox at this stage

Thanks for adding your insightful assumptions where you declare your thoughts on the 'surprise, assurance, more than likely and bollox'.
Basically you know as much or less than every other fooker on here so why try and score points off someone who may have been told info by someone who actually knows whats happening?
Just saying.

employment contracts at Eastlands ASDA= hard facts and not assumptions
some Johhny knowall from wigan= hard facts
buying the ASDA site, nothing official = hard facts

maybe your in denial or you just love gossip if its the later of the two spend some time on mums net 'just saying'

Perhaps they take their contracts with them when they move, I would imagine they are contracted to ASDA and not a specific store

 

[petrusha]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Thanks for adding your insightful assumptions where you declare your thoughts on the 'surprise, assurance, more than likely and bollox'.
Basically you know as much or less than every other fooker on here so why try and score points off someone who may have been told info by someone who actually knows whats happening?
Just saying.

employment contracts at Eastlands ASDA= hard facts and not assumptions
some Johhny knowall from wigan= hard facts
buying the ASDA site, nothing official = hard facts

maybe your in denial or you just love gossip if its the later of the two spend some time on mums net 'just saying'

I'm wondering if a contract to work for ASDA is always tied to a specific location for work to be carried out?

And why, in this instance would new contracts be handed out and indeed signed by any employees?

It's quite common practice when drafting employment contracts in the UK to include what's called a 'mobility clause', which allows an employer to change an employee's principal place of work as nominated in the employment contract. In that case, an employee can be required to move their main place of work as long as the request is reasonable: <a class="postlink" href="https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights</a>

Why would employers hand out such a contract for a store they're going to close? Because they'll open a new store somewhere else and need someone to do the same job at the relocated site. Why would an employee accept it? Because they want a job and don't feel in a position to argue about terms of the contract.

As for what's reasonable for an employer to request, there was a case in 2012 in which an Employment Appeal Tribunal suggested that: "a relocation of six miles within central London which resulted in the employees having to travel an extra one to two hours to work following a service provision change amounted to a substantial change to employees’ working conditions to their material detriment." See here: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.employmentlawwatch.com/tags/mobility-clause/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.employmentlawwatch.com/tags/mobility-clause/</a>

If hypothetically, Asda were to seek to move an employee with a mobility clause from Eastlands to Great Ancoats, would that be unreasonable? We're talking about a distance of 1.5 miles, assessed as a 5-minute drive by the site I used to give me the distance. The Ancoats retail park is within walking distance of the Metrolink stop at New Islington, a couple of stops down the same line from the existing store. In those circumstances, I think you'd struggle to argue that moving the employees were unreasonable.

The fact that Asda is offering permanent contracts to employees based at the new store might not be conclusive evidence of anything. We'll see.

 

[failsworthblueboy]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

On the OS.

2-2

[bigimg]http://content.mcfc.co.uk/~/media/Images/Home/News/Academy/2014%2015/September/Isaac-stock-image-A19U1468.ashx?h=450&w=800[/bigimg]

That's Platt Lane mate because I'm in the picture, today was behind closed doors.

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Next to those two birds, I see !!

Well that made the Wife chuckle :-)

 

[dobobobo]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

That's a good point - I think its a fuck up on the Gantt Chart bars - elsewhere in the document it talks about building it straight after the South Stand or leaving it a year before starting

I think it's a case of mistakingly naming the South Stand as the North Stand. The dates for me all add up for option 1 that relate to the current building work.

Unless I am missing something also. :S

I think the chart just shows that there is an option of either starting a North Stand extension in Oct 2015 or starting a North Stand extension in Oct 2016 with completion being by Aug 2016 or Aug 2017 respectively.

Thus by either the 2016-2017 or 2017-2018 season we would\could have a capacity of around 61,000.

I would guess the start date would depend mainly on how the South Stand take up goes and maybe how things go on the pitch ( are we computing better in Europe etc by then) and how the club grows in terms of income, global appeal etc.

Ciyt1974 and Bammy Blue

Aye, I agree.

Teach me to join in on serious talk at 1:30 am! :)

 

[CheethamHillBlue]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

employment contracts at Eastlands ASDA= hard facts and not assumptions
some Johhny knowall from wigan= hard facts
buying the ASDA site, nothing official = hard facts

maybe your in denial or you just love gossip if its the later of the two spend some time on mums net 'just saying'

Put your dummy back in, Marco.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

employment contracts at Eastlands ASDA= hard facts and not assumptions
some Johhny knowall from wigan= hard facts
buying the ASDA site, nothing official = hard facts

maybe your in denial or you just love gossip if its the later of the two spend some time on mums net 'just saying'

I'm wondering if a contract to work for ASDA is always tied to a specific location for work to be carried out?

And why, in this instance would new contracts be handed out and indeed signed by any employees?

It's quite common practice when drafting employment contracts in the UK to include what's called a 'mobility clause', which allows an employer to change an employee's principal place of work as nominated in the employment contract. In that case, an employee can be required to move their main place of work as long as the request is reasonable: <a class="postlink" href="https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights</a>

Why would employers hand out such a contract for a store they're going to close? Because they'll open a new store somewhere else and need someone to do the same job at the relocated site. Why would an employee accept it? Because they want a job and don't feel in a position to argue about terms of the contract.

As for what's reasonable for an employer to request, there was a case in 2012 in which an Employment Appeal Tribunal suggested that: "a relocation of six miles within central London which resulted in the employees having to travel an extra one to two hours to work following a service provision change amounted to a substantial change to employees’ working conditions to their material detriment." See here: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.employmentlawwatch.com/tags/mobility-clause/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.employmentlawwatch.com/tags/mobility-clause/</a>

If hypothetically, Asda were to seek to move an employee with a mobility clause from Eastlands to Great Ancoats, would that be unreasonable? We're talking about a distance of 1.5 miles, assessed as a 5-minute drive by the site I used to give me the distance. The Ancoats retail park is within walking distance of the Metrolink stop at New Islington, a couple of stops down the same line from the existing store. In those circumstances, I think you'd struggle to argue that moving the employees were unreasonable.

The fact that Asda is offering permanent contracts to employees based at the new store might not be conclusive evidence of anything. We'll see.

My thinking is that there has to be a good reason for getting staff to sign new contracts at a firm like ASDA. I would think the new contracts have an amendment that makes it better for the employer, not the employee to achieve a desired goal.

If they are signing new contracts it suggests to me that the company are planning something.

And if all of those assumptions are correct then it makes ASDA selling up MORE likely and not less likely.

 

[petrusha]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

My thinking is that there has to be a good reason for getting staff to sign new contracts at a firm like ASDA. I would think the new contracts have an amendment that makes it better for the employer, not the employee to achieve a desired goal.

If they are signing new contracts it suggests to me that the company are planning something.

And if all of those assumptions are correct then it makes ASDA selling up MORE likely and not less likely.

Oh, I see what you're saying. I just thought he was banging on about ASDA recruiting permanent staff for the Eastlands store, which is a bit of a non-point for the reasons I put forward. However, looking at it again he says "new contracts" and "new employees", in which case I agree with you.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I think its broadly accepted that when it comes to the Collar Site there can only really be an indoor attraction built and so I had a look at what already exists and how much land it would take up.

Here is a site that lists many of the sites that the Collar site would 'compete' with.

http://www.jeffcoy.com/documents/articles/World's Top 30 Indoor Entertainment Centers Part 1.pdf

Most are in the US and have an anchor tenant to support them.

The most likely to match what we would see on the Collar Site would be http://www.iplayamerica.com/

Edutainment is the watchword when it comes to all these things and there are of course some brands that dominate, such as Lego and Kidzania so we might see something from the latter as Lego already has a presence in Manchester.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Here is the main competition for a much more costly option.

http://www.imgwoa.ae/