Manchester1894
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Wispa's on 2-4-1 in ASDA.
Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread
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BerkshireBlue
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now that could be true
You don't like City fans very much.
Centurions
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Stop confusing me, you're quoting a JRB post from June 2017...
Fred_Quimby
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I am finding all this musing over a single stand ‘wall of sound’ slightly amusing. I was in the Kippax in the early 60’s to the mid 70’s and it was never a ‘wall of sound’. What on earth makes people think that one at our stadium would make a huge difference? It would be better I am ready to admit but ‘wall of sound’!!! Dortmund and Germany in general expect a vastly different match day experience to us.
Fred_Quimby
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All those people cursing because it takes an age to get out of the ground...i believe it is done on purpose to do exactly what it does, slow down the number of people leaving the stadium. Anyone old enough will remember the old Kippax before development. It had a couple of large tunnels to get supporters out of the stand. On match days, especially large ones, you took your life in your own hands entering them as they got very, very busy and if you tripped you could quite easily have been trampled, the trouble didn’t end there as you had the same crush getting out the gates behind the stand as you were now joined by the fans coming down the steps behind the Kippax.
Fast forward to the Etihad, fans are ‘released’ through small tunnels so no surges of fans hitting the spirals all at once and then this follows through to the concourse where movement is relatively free flowing.
Fast forward to the Etihad, fans are ‘released’ through small tunnels so no surges of fans hitting the spirals all at once and then this follows through to the concourse where movement is relatively free flowing.
cleavers
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Its only 105 pages ago ;-)
Completely agree, I stood there, and sat pretty much everywhere else as well, it was good on its day certainly, but it didn't have "its day" very often (or very long in some games). Pretty much like today in fact.
Tim of the Oak
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I found the seasons we were going for promotion to the top flightbwere great for atmosphere. The likes of Leeds, the Sheffield Clubs, Sunderland, Newcastle and Leeds bring big followings helped. It was mediocre the rest of the time apart from big top flight games against the rags and Liverpool etc.
gkmcfc
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It was hope more than expectation too. These days we expect to beat everyone who rocks up to the Etihad regardless of who they are!
HelloCity
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So, I’ve done some ‘analysis’ and decided that a one tiered stand would be hard as **** to pull off.
Basicially if you have standing behind the goal then you have to have it in the corners as well or else the view of some fans in those corners will be partly obstructed by those in the standing section.
This becomes an even bigger issue when you consider that to produce a one tiered stand, the current stand would need to be completely rebuilt at a new angle which would fit within the confines of the original cable net and supports.
If the stand was rebuilt without the corners then some people sat there would also have an angle of the pitch cut off by the new steeper stand.
Due to building a new steeper stand these corners would therefore need to be rebuilt or remodelled, which is where the difficulty comes in as they are also part of the CB and East Stand, running under the third tiers which actually run past the pitch.
This can be seen in the photo below:
See the new Spurs one tier stand which covers the corners. You can see the edges of those corners are also at a higher level than the stands at the sides:
The seats on the sides right next to the small walls of where the steeper one tiered stand begins must be at least parallel to the touchline to avoid having views blocked off by the walls. Easy to do when you build a stadium from scratch, not so much when you’re reworking.
And here’s an example of how the one tiered stand cuts into the side stands:
This is what we would need to happen and why it would be so hard to pull off given the CB and East Stands arent configured with a one tiered stand in mind.
Closer look at the wall divide between the two stands which is there due to the single tier stand being much steeper:
Verdict:
A single tier North Stand would require much of the current North Stand to be demolished. The redevelopment would impact the northern ends of the CB and East Stands as the corners would also need to be completely remodelled. This would be extremely difficult to pull off, requiring full stand closure for a time if they did it over one season and would be very expensive and costly in terms of build and lost ticket revenue. The end result would obviously be a brilliant ‘home end’ stand though.
The easier solutions are to do a copy of the South Stand (the original plan), or expand the current second tier like in the pics below, perhaps having the lower tier (and corners!) as safe standing if there is a change in government legislation.
Basicially if you have standing behind the goal then you have to have it in the corners as well or else the view of some fans in those corners will be partly obstructed by those in the standing section.
This becomes an even bigger issue when you consider that to produce a one tiered stand, the current stand would need to be completely rebuilt at a new angle which would fit within the confines of the original cable net and supports.
If the stand was rebuilt without the corners then some people sat there would also have an angle of the pitch cut off by the new steeper stand.
Due to building a new steeper stand these corners would therefore need to be rebuilt or remodelled, which is where the difficulty comes in as they are also part of the CB and East Stand, running under the third tiers which actually run past the pitch.
This can be seen in the photo below:
See the new Spurs one tier stand which covers the corners. You can see the edges of those corners are also at a higher level than the stands at the sides:
The seats on the sides right next to the small walls of where the steeper one tiered stand begins must be at least parallel to the touchline to avoid having views blocked off by the walls. Easy to do when you build a stadium from scratch, not so much when you’re reworking.
And here’s an example of how the one tiered stand cuts into the side stands:
This is what we would need to happen and why it would be so hard to pull off given the CB and East Stands arent configured with a one tiered stand in mind.
Closer look at the wall divide between the two stands which is there due to the single tier stand being much steeper:
Verdict:
A single tier North Stand would require much of the current North Stand to be demolished. The redevelopment would impact the northern ends of the CB and East Stands as the corners would also need to be completely remodelled. This would be extremely difficult to pull off, requiring full stand closure for a time if they did it over one season and would be very expensive and costly in terms of build and lost ticket revenue. The end result would obviously be a brilliant ‘home end’ stand though.
The easier solutions are to do a copy of the South Stand (the original plan), or expand the current second tier like in the pics below, perhaps having the lower tier (and corners!) as safe standing if there is a change in government legislation.
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