Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Gingers Dad said:
Really? My partner is a former NHS manager. Although not strictly civil servants their wages against responsibility are obscene. Holiday entitlement and pensions generous to say the least. Redundancy money when offered is eye watering. As her job was briefly part of the civil service I've got no reason to believe their pay and conditions are any different. My lads are both and Uni but I keep telling them the civil service is the place to get a job. Far outstrips the private sector and if you can't do your job they will hire management consultants to do it for you
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Presumably you read that in the Mail or the Express because it bears no relation to the real world.

Public sector salaries are matched against the private sector. In junior and admin posts salaries may be moderately better with superior terms and conditions but at senior levels officials are paid a fraction of what they could earn in the private sector.
 
Gray said:
People around the World will flock to the UK to wallow in the nostalgia of how things were in their own countries years ago.
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No one does nostalgia better than us. The whole country is like a museum piece and we are world-class at producing period dramas. We are obsessed with the past. It feels like the entire population has turned into scousers. It would be funny if it was not so serious.
 
Gingers Dad said:
Really? My partner is a former NHS manager. Although not strictly civil servants their wages against responsibility are obscene. Holiday entitlement and pensions generous to say the least. Redundancy money when offered is eye watering. As her job was briefly part of the civil service I've got no reason to believe their pay and conditions are any different. My lads are both and Uni but I keep telling them the civil service is the place to get a job. Far outstrips the private sector and if you can't do your job they will hire management consultants to do it for you
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My wife's brother worked for the Open University in Milton Keynes as did his wife. They needed to reduce staffing levels and offered an outrageous redundancy package along with taking an early pension with guaranteed increases. So they both took up the offer back in the late 90’s when he was aged just 50 - neither of them has worked since.
 
pace89 said:
Presumably you read that in the Mail or the Express because it bears no relation to the real world.

Public sector salaries are matched against the private sector. In junior and admin posts salaries may be moderately better with superior terms and conditions but at senior levels officials are paid a fraction of what they could earn in the private sector.
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Shame the pensions aren’t matched up
 
pace89 said:
Presumably you read that in the Mail or the Express because it bears no relation to the real world.

Public sector salaries are matched against the private sector. In junior and admin posts salaries may be moderately better with superior terms and conditions but at senior levels officials are paid a fraction of what they could earn in the private sector.
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Were that the case then these senior officials would have moved to the private sector, no?
Still I'm sure the defined benefit pensions, the relative job security and so on must count for something....
 
pace89 said:
Presumably you read that in the Mail or the Express because it bears no relation to the real world.

Public sector salaries are matched against the private sector. In junior and admin posts salaries may be moderately better with superior terms and conditions but at senior levels officials are paid a fraction of what they could earn in the private sector.
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Don't read either paper but I know what you're getting at. My post is quoting a real life first hand experience. About 10 years ago there were over 40,000 staff in the NHS on over £100,000 a year. Dread what to think what the numbers are now
 
jockblue said:
Were that the case then these senior officials would have moved to the private sector, no?
Still I'm sure the defined benefit pensions, the relative job security and so on must count for something....
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They won't move to the private sector and have to earn their salary. They wouldn't get the same money, job security, annual leave and pension.
 
jockblue said:
Were that the case then these senior officials would have moved to the private sector, no?
Still I'm sure the defined benefit pensions, the relative job security and so on must count for something....
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They do all the time. The Treasury struggles to keep it's officials out of the City where they can have their salaries quadrupled before bonuses etc.

Defined benefits and relative job security count for a healthy working environment and a chance of retaining decent staff. It's not the public sector's fault that the British public has continually voted for Governments that seek to eradicate their workplace rights.
 
Gingers Dad said:
Don't read either paper but I know what you're getting at. My post is quoting a real life first hand experience. About 10 years ago there were over 40,000 staff in the NHS on over £100,000 a year. Dread what to think what the numbers are now
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Of course there are. Every consultant in Britain earns well over £100k and and that's relatively less than could be earned in other health systems.
 
I’m an SCS, have worked in the civil service for about 6 years, the 15 years prior to that I worked in the Big4 Accountancy practices, I was a Director when I left.

I took an approximate 70% pay cut to come into a senior civil service role. These days I’m around 40% on what I took home 6 years ago. My pension is average, these golden civil service pensions haven’t been a reality in 20+ years apart from in the mind of the obvious newspapers.

I moved for my own personal reasons around being able to occasionally see the kids and be part of their upbringing. I’m not badly paid, I’m not complaining about my wages as I do ok - but to pretend that senior civil service wages are in any way comparable with the private sector is ludicrous. Pay scales per grade are readily available and published annually, there’s no great conspiracy to hide them either.
 
leithblue said:
I’m an SCS, have worked in the civil service for about 6 years, the 15 years prior to that I worked in the Big4 Accountancy practices, I was a Director when I left.

I took an approximate 70% pay cut to come into a senior civil service role. These days I’m around 40% on what I took home 6 years ago. My pension is average, these golden civil service pensions haven’t been a reality in 20+ years apart from in the mind of the obvious newspapers.

I moved for my own personal reasons around being able to occasionally see the kids and be part of their upbringing. I’m not badly paid, I’m not complaining about my wages as I do ok - but to pretend that senior civil service wages are in any way comparable with the private sector is ludicrous. Pay scales per grade are readily available and published annually, there’s no great conspiracy to hide them either.
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This probably proves what I've been saying. You made a lifestyle choice to do a less demanding job but with that comes a cut in salary?
 
gouldybob said:
What has the last two pages private sector/public sector waffle got to do with the Stadium/Campus development? Even jrbs pictures of a machine drilling a hole or a prefabed concrete wall are better then that
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:-)

As many of you know, over the years I’ve taken pictures of soil, mud, wasteland, concrete pillars, walls, etc. Which to the untrained eye is frankly boring. But there’s always a reason to take such pictures. Here’s an example.

WTF?

A porta-cabin wall.

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A couple of weeks later.

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Utilities have been connected to the port-cabin, which means work onsite is due to start soon. So the excitement can begin in ernest.(bar seeing a piling rig onsite)

Downing Living, Co-Living, First Street. Onsite early next year. The 45 story tower is going up first.

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Back to topic.

Going to get some pictures of the arena site today. Not done an update for a few weeks, so there should be some visible changes.
 
jrb said:
:-)

As many of you know, over the years I have taken pictures of soil, mud, wasteland, concrete pillars, walls, etc. Which to the untrained eye is frankly boring. But there’s always a reason to take such pictures. Here’s an example.

WTF?

A porta-cabin wall.

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A couple of weeks later.

Utilities have been connected to the port-cabi, which means work onsite is due to start soon. So the excitement can begin.

Downing Living, Co-Living, First Street. Onsite early next year. The 45 story tower us going up first.

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Back to topic.

Going to get some pictures of the arena site today. Not done an update for a few weeks, so there should be some visible changes.
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Are we flying a flag at half-mast for OGS today ?
 
Now.

I'll post the other pictures later on.

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Maybe one for the City Matters group, but please can we change the row labelling system from letters to numbers?

Cup games in particular I spend the first 10 mins of every game explaining to confused people that there is a difference between (for example) row L and row LL. Same thing with N and NN etc. I don't think you would have that confusion if they were labelled row 12 and row 38.

Appreciate it seems petty but it spoils the beginning of every cup game for me and those around me. I sit on the end of the aisle and have to help them because they just hover and block my view.
 
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