Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[jrb]

Wasn’t the only spare land around the swamp bought by neville who built a hotel?

No.

He just owns the hotel and the the land it's built on.

United have enough land around OT to build a new stadium. The land is leased out to various companies. United get annual revenue from that.

The Glazers don't have the vision or the appetite to fund and to build an arena.(too late now) They would rather bleed United dry from the safety of America.

 

[jrb]

The Co-op Live holds 23,500 people, open it up three nights a week sold out and that’s probably 10,000 people more than what City will be getting on match day when the North Stand is extended. Why didn’t the poor raggies or dippers think of this idea?

United above.

Liverpool don't have land around Anfield for an arena.

The expand Anfield Road stand has away seats in the top tier facing Liverpool fans in the main stand and not the pitch. Lol!

 

[BerkshireBlue]

No.

He just owns the hotel and the the land it's built on.

United have enough land around OT to build a new stadium. The land is leased out to various companies. United get annual revenue from that.

The Glazers don't have the vision or the appetite to fund and to build an arena.(too late now) They would rather bleed United dry from the safety of America.

They don't own the land they own a lease on the land. So they have zero room to build a new stadium there without knocking down old toilet first

 

[BerkshireBlue]

There are other bits in Trafford park the Rags own not sure what the precise locations are. What they could put it for purpose for remains to be seen. The AO Arena since it’s construction in the 90s has been a relative success in what it did for the area around Victoria Station and the local economy, Silverlake and CFG have taken that concept and plonked it right next to our ground. It’s a master stroke, the likes of Take That, Simply Red playing there will sell it out. Even better there will be rags and dippers paying their hard earned money to attend.

They rags don't own the land around old trafford they own a lease on the land which gives them zero say in how or when its developed. Only the land owner has that right

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

No.

He just owns the hotel and the the land it's built on.

United have enough land around OT to build a new stadium. The land is leased out to various companies. United get annual revenue from that.

The Glazers don't have the vision or the appetite to fund and to build an arena.(too late now) They would rather bleed United dry from the safety of America.

Don’t think the GMCA would allow another arena to be built, the Co-Op Live had push back because of the existing arena in the city centre. The Co-Op Live will offer more seats and better facilities. I always found the sound and acoustics at the AO Arena were terrible, that will be addressed in this new building. If you were a band or act where would you rather go to play a gig in Manchester? Will be interesting to see if the AO turns into a white elephant.

 

[jimharri]

Don’t think the GMCA would allow another arena to be built, the Co-Op Live had push back because of the existing arena in the city centre. The Co-Op Live will offer more seats and better facilities. I always found the sound and acoustics at the AO Arena were terrible, that will be addressed in this new building. If you were a band or act where would you rather go to play a gig in Manchester? Will be interesting to see if the AO turns into a white elephant.

The Apollo, shirley?


;-)


Serious question; is that even still being used as a venue? Saw Queen play there in 1979.

 

[richards30]

Chaaaa Ching incoming!

 

[Northblue]

The Apollo, shirley?


;-)


Serious question; is that even still being used as a venue? Saw Queen play there in 1979.

Apollo’s still going yeah, went last year and paid about 14 quid for 2 pints

 

[jimharri]

Apollo’s still going yeah, went last year and paid about 14 quid for 2 pints

Ouch!

 

[MadchesterCity]

It's going to be absolutely carnage.
Stopping cars parking anywhere near the ground, only one tram link. Trains that are hit and miss. Unless they seriously upgrade the transport infrastructure, it's going to be madness. All they've come out with is let's all walk from Piccadilly, err nope.

There ain’t even significant parking available at Piccadilly

 

[MadchesterCity]

Some pertinent bits so far. 30% of supporters are travelling by car and will be impacted by this resident parking scheme!
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The majority of supporters arrive by car and that figure has actually increased slightly in the period 2015 to 2019, and the numbers appear to have returned to those 2019 levels after covid.

The next slide suggests the next steps are to refine the transport surveys AFTER the completion of the North Stand to allow for a transport strategy to be developed.

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I did note comments about trialling shuttle buses and also improving/promoting walking routes to Monsall and Central Park metro stops.

They’re looking to increase tram usage by 21% and bus usage by 9%. However I didn’t note any comments about the overcrowding that is happening every game so good luck finding room for those passengers.

80% arriving by road?

 

[jrb]

They don't own the land they own a lease on the land. So they have zero room to build a new stadium there without knocking down old toilet first

United do own large parcels of land around OT. They have bought the land up over the years. Apart from an annual income the land generates, it also stops property developers building buildings close to OT. If you remember, United put an objection in against Neville and Hotel football.

I don't know if United own the railway freight terminal land? But I do remember something about them having to share a stadium for a few years if they built a new stadium on the current OT site.

 

[MadchesterCity]

And therein lies the problem. Getting there is less of an issue. Getting away on the tram is another story. The queue on Saturday was trailing all the way back to where it opens out around the stadium.
Many have suggested different solutions. What the answer is, lord only knows.

Perhaps priority given to elderly/disabled/ people with young kids /people using park and ride would be a good option?
It’s just a short walk to City centre for able bodied

 

[Manchester33]

Some pertinent bits so far. 30% of supporters are travelling by car and will be impacted by this resident parking scheme!
View attachment 94329
The majority of supporters arrive by car and that figure has actually increased slightly in the period 2015 to 2019, and the numbers appear to have returned to those 2019 levels after covid.

The next slide suggests the next steps are to refine the transport surveys AFTER the completion of the North Stand to allow for a transport strategy to be developed.

View attachment 94331
I did note comments about trialling shuttle buses and also improving/promoting walking routes to Monsall and Central Park metro stops.

They’re looking to increase tram usage by 21% and bus usage by 9%. However I didn’t note any comments about the overcrowding that is happening every game so good luck finding room for those passengers.

I really think Premier League clubs should work with local councils to offer free public transport with a match ticket (like in Germany).

No reason City and Andy Burnham can't be leaders in this area with our 'bee network'.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Get back on topic fellows, privatisation ruined this country years ago ! Let's concentrate on what the sites name is, wether we get better transport links or not in 3 years will have 7k extra fans at games an 30k plus at the arena events so we'll just have to suck it up ! It wasn't that long ago folks were complaining that nothing has happening on the collar site but I suppose you can't please everyone ! The parking restrictions probably had to be put in place to enable planning permission to get the go ahead .

Why would parking restrictions be required on industrial land?

 

[MadchesterCity]

The noisy neighbour preferred the cock of Gibraltar.

 

[jimharri]

United do own large parcels of land around OT. They have bought the land up over the years. Apart from an annual income the land generates, it also stops property developers building buildings close to OT. If you remember, United put an objection in against Neville and Hotel football.

I don't know if United own the railway freight terminal land? But I do remember something about them having to share a stadium for a few years if they built a new stadium on the current OT site.

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[Shirley]

United do own large parcels of land around OT. They have bought the land up over the years. Apart from an annual income the land generates, it also stops property developers building buildings close to OT. If you remember, United put an objection in against Neville and Hotel football.

I don't know if United own the railway freight terminal land? But I do remember something about them having to share a stadium for a few years if they built a new stadium on the current OT site.

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A view from Adolfs bombers…

 

[Manchester33]

And therein lies the problem. Getting there is less of an issue. Getting away on the tram is another story. The queue on Saturday was trailing all the way back to where it opens out around the stadium.
Many have suggested different solutions. What the answer is, lord only knows.

Ultimately, we will never have enough capacity on the Metrolink to offer a quick departure from the Etihad.

Shuttle buses could help if they were subsidised. Better walking routes (and information letting people in the queue know it's quicker to walk to Picc than to wait).

The club are hoping that the new facilities will keep fans around the stadium for longer (people will go for a meal or a drink after the game).

We as fans need to adjust too though. If you're going to a major event with the 50/60k people in attendance, obviously there is going to be traffic and queues.

 

[jrb]

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