EU referendum

[KenTheLandlord]

What on earth are you blabbering about? Gardens? Products? ITK?

Plain english please, no analogies.

It is plain English and you understand it perfectly.
So you come to a debate and then say you wont answer.
Good one.

 

[Metal Biker]

It is plain English and you understand it perfectly.
So you come to a debate and then say you wont answer.
Good one.

Because we'll end up debating the analogy, one which does not correlate with the status of the UK leaving the EU. It is an overly simplied argument and the subject matter itself is much more involved. I've 'come to a debate' to give my opinion on how I perceive the EU, giving examples of what led me to form such an opinion. Examples which others can check, research and form their own conclusions in which they'll either agree, disagree or have an entirely different viewpoint to my own based on the exact same information. There has been a lot of misinformation on both sides of the debate and i've been giving opposing viewpoints to them based on what i've learned.

You have come to the debate to tell others their opinions are misguided but without explaining to them why or giving a clear stance what your viewpoint would be if you had to choose on an opposing side. For example you still have not explained, in the event of an exit from the ones you listed and asked me to choose from, what scenario would be most beneficial for Britain. If you don't know, just say so.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Because we'll end up debating the analogy, one which does not correlate with the status of the UK leaving the EU. It is an overly simplied argument and the subject matter itself is much more involved. I've 'come to a debate' to give my opinion on how I perceive the EU, giving examples of what led me to form such an opinion. Examples which others can check, research and form their own conclusions in which they'll either agree, disagree or have an entirely different viewpoint to my own based on the exact same information.

You have come to the debate to tell others their opinions are misguided but without explaining to them why or giving a clear stance what your viewpoint would be if you had to choose on an opposing side. For example you still have not explained, in the event of an exit from the ones you listed and asked me to choose from, what scenario would be most beneficial for Britain. If you don't know, just say so.

You said you wont answer, that is not giving your opinion.
Why would i give an opinion on an opposing side, you haven't on why we should.

I dont want any of them, i am happy to remain in.
I am happy to remain in because the out options are all worse than what we already have and there is no clear path by outers as to where we would go.
You are the one wanting out and i gave you the opportunity to explain which path you felt would be better.
You wouldn't because the whole out scenario is built on the fact it is not the EU. Past that there is nothing.
It is, well lets just get out first then decide.

 

[Metal Biker]

You said you wont answer, that is not giving your opinion.
Why would i give an opinion on an opposing side, you haven't on why we should.

I dont want any of them, i am happy to remain in.
I am happy to remain in because the out options are all worse than what we already have and there is no clear path by outers as to where we would go.
You are the one wanting out and i gave you the opportunity to explain which path you felt would be better.
You wouldn't because the whole out scenario is built on the fact it is not the EU. Past that there is nothing.
It is, well lets just get out first then decide.

Right; so as I pointed out earlier, there is no point in giving you my answer, because you don't agree with any of the options provided therefore any answer I'd give you'd find fault with, and that isn't a reasoned debate, it's you telling someone else their view is incorrect. Finally we get there!

Even if you don't agree with any of the options, there must be at least one which is the most feasible. You don't see there being one, whereas i'm more open to any and every alternative. I was open to a reformed EU, I am a former 'inner' whose views on the importance of the EU has changed. This hasn't happened overnight. I once supported being in the EU, now I cannot find enough of a convincing argument as to why we should remain.

 

[blueonblue]

I am happy to remain in because the out options are all worse than what we already have and there is no clear path by outers as to where we would go.

You seem like a capable chap so how do you equate an in vote to the one true fact without any input from either side.
You can not continue to "Have what we already have", the EU has stated time and again the aim is FULL integration into a federal Europe & the Euro.

The Dutch have just as good as told the EU to f*ck itself, Hungary & Austria have ignored Brussels and closed their borders, Poland is refusing point blank to play pass the parcel with migrants, while in spite of tipping over Six billion euros and a deal to allow membership to Turkey (Allowing 77 million Turks free movement) the master plan to deport migrants has hit the stops, add in calls from the French and German public for their own referendum an the "What we have now" is highly unlikely to be there.

Yes there are many questions to be decided over what direction things go after exit, but at least WE will be making them.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Just under £10Million of taxpayer money being spent on government propaganda being sent out to us asking us to vote to stay in.

Thought we where skint? Why is that money not being spent on services?

That said, not a bad day to try and deflect from the growing anger with our PM and the rest over their offshore trust funds is it by throwing this news out?

That's the equivalent of you dropping a halfpenny in a drain

 

[CityStu]

If i vote out, want to know exactly what is coming next.

If we stay in, can you tell me exactly what is coming next? On the current trajectory it looks like the EU will branch into Turkey and push on into the Middle East and the UK will cease to become a nation, to exist as a state within an all-encompassing EU country.

Can you alleviate the above concerns or tell me why they are preferable to being an independent UK, outside the EU.

 

[CityStu]

That's the equivalent of you dropping a halfpenny in a drain

It's taxpayer money supporting a side. Most people did want more information about how much the EU costs and quantitatively what the benefits were - which would have allowed for balanced debate about whether to leave. Instead the government had used those funds for its own purpose to deliver propaganda to every house in the country.

It might be the equivalent of a halfpenny down the drain, but it is a halfpenny the Out campaign cannot drop.

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's taxpayer money supporting a side. Most people did want more information about how much the EU costs and quantitatively what the benefits were - which would have allowed for balanced debate about whether to leave. Instead the government had used those funds for its own purpose to deliver propaganda to every house in the country.

It might be the equivalent of a halfpenny down the drain, but it is a halfpenny the Out campaign cannot drop.

They've got the hedge funds, off shore tax dodging media owners and Kremlin behind them what else do they need?

 

[Blue Smarties]

I can't wait until we're finally out of this sham. Not long left now chaps.