EU referendum

[Metal Biker]

It would, as would TPP

Only if we sign up to it.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Only if we sign up to it.

No UK government would not sign up for it.
It would practically be selling the country down the river.
The countries signed up are not going to let a one off country come along and make their own terms up and decide to deals without very heavy tariffs or some kind of sanction,
It is the point of the two deals. Minimal paperwork and maximum profit within the clubs.

 

[Metal Biker]

No UK government would not sign up for it.
It would practically be selling the country down the river.
The countries signed up are not going to let a one off country come along and make their own terms up and decide to deals without very heavy tariffs or some kind of sanction,
It is the point of the two deals. Minimal paperwork and maximum profit within the clubs.

So we remain in the EU, are forcibly signed up to TTIP and the workers suffer.
We leave the EU, sign up to TPP and the workers suffer.
We leave the EU, DON'T sign up to either TTIP or TPP and....?

It's certainly a bizarre set of circumstances, isn't it. You'd think there'd be people out there enraged by it or something.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

So we remain in the EU, are forcibly signed up to TTIP and the workers suffer.
We leave the EU, sign up to TPP and the workers suffer.
We leave the EU, DON'T sign up to either TTIP or TPP and....?

It's certainly a bizarre set of circumstances, isn't it. You'd think there'd be people out there enraged by it or something.

and.... you think it is a positive outcome?

Welcome to the world of BRICs and lets see how many workers are left.

 

[Metal Biker]

and.... you think it is a positive outcome?

Welcome to the world of BRICs and lets see how many workers are left.

You came to that assumption, not me. I left it ambiguous for a reason.

No, I don't think it's a positive outcome, which is why i'm surprised any Inners would knowingly continue support being part of the EU when they are forcing through a trade agreement that most people across the 'Union' are opposed to. It smacks of hypocrisy.

 

[blueinsa]

Just under £10Million of taxpayer money being spent on government propaganda being sent out to us asking us to vote to stay in.

Thought we where skint? Why is that money not being spent on services?

That said, not a bad day to try and deflect from the growing anger with our PM and the rest over their offshore trust funds is it by throwing this news out?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

You came to that assumption, not me. I left it ambiguous for a reason.

No, I don't think it's a positive outcome, which is why i'm surprised any Inners would knowingly continue support being part of the EU when they are forcing through a trade agreement that most people across the 'Union' are opposed to. It smacks of hypocrisy.

Your last line didn't make it ambiguous.

That is one reason why the TTIP has not been passed yet, they are still negotiating and by negotiating things can and do change. Walking away will not change anything.

 

[Metal Biker]

Your last line didn't make it ambiguous.

That is one reason why the TTIP has not been passed yet, they are still negotiating and by negotiating things can and do change. Walking away will not change anything.

It was ambiguous, you didn't pick up on it. But again, as i've seen time and time again, the debate goes off track on petty discussion on what someone said, what someone didn't say.

TTIP hasn't been passed, but the EU is very keen to ensure it is. Inners defend the EU knowing full well this is the case. I cannot understand why.

 

[Moriati]

Obama’s proposed TTIP treaty with European countries has been so successfully hidden, that even the number of years it will be kept from the public isn’t yet known. Hello, international fascism — all in secret, until too late for the public to do anything.

But in Europe, things are being rushed, just in case secrecy breaks and the treaty fails to pass. The European Union is already secretly imposing provisions from the secret Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) treaty, even before anyone has signed it, and even before it has been formally approved in any nation. This was revealed over the last weekend in two places:

On the night of October 17th, Phillip Inman of the online version of the Guardian bannered (in an article that the Guardian declined to publish in its printed edition), "Prospect of TTIP already undermining EU food standards, say campaigners,” and he reported that,

Nick Dearden, director of anti-poverty group Global Justice Now, says the EU’s chief trade counsellor, Damien Levie, has let slip that free trade means undermining current minimum standards agreed by the EU.

The release Thursday of the 5,544-page text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership—a trade and investment agreement involving 12 countries comprising nearly 40 percent of global output—confirms what even its most apocalyptic critics feared.

“The TPP, along with the WTO [World Trade Organization] and NAFTA [North American Free Trade Agreement], is the most brazen corporate power grab in American history,”Ralph Nader told me when I reached him by phone in Washington, D.C. “It allows corporations to bypass our three branches of government to impose enforceable sanctions by secret tribunals. These tribunals can declare our labor, consumer and environmental protections [to be] unlawful, non-tariff barriers subject to fines for noncompliance. The TPP establishes a transnational, autocratic system of enforceable governance in defiance of our domestic laws.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-10/his-own-words-why-obamatrade-right-thing-do-you-america

 

[grunge]

Just under £10Million of taxpayer money being spent on government propaganda being sent out to us asking us to vote to stay in.

That's raising an interesting point, I thought when they announced the referendum they said that an even spend from government money would be spent on both the in and out campaigning so there was a balanced debate.

That doesn't appear to be happening.