Well I guess we could vote English mps out if we didn't like them. Not sure given the dilution of our vote that's something we are able to do in the Eu even though it's accepted that 60 percent of laws now come from the Eu. Sovereignty and Democracy seem overrated nowadays.Well the first one is just wrong. The second is more debateable. Some (we can debate how many) Japanese and other businesses which have invested in the UK because it's in the EU, will surely decamp elsewhere if we are no longer in it. So it comes down to whether the loss of revenue and jobs that will result in our more restricted trade with the EU, is more than compensated for by increased trade with other nations. And if it that's true, whether the gains are worth the upheaval and risk. In my judgement, they are probably not. I think we'd be worse off - perhaps significantly worse off - for years and for no real gain other than some romantic idea of "getting our freedom back", which is not for me a compelling argument.
We - you and I - don't have any freedom anyway. We vote for who and what we like and then politicians and policies get dumped on us whether we voted for them or not. I don't really see much advantage in having some English MP or law I don't want instead of an EU one.
So if we don't get a trade deal with Europe..... what happens next?I think the most likely outcome is that we would not have an EU trade deal. I can't see any circumstances where the leaders of a successful Out campaign would agree to the UK then being bound by the same terms that compelled us to leave. Equally, I cannot see the EU agreeing to trade deal without most of those conditions. I think these differences would be irreconcilable and we'd basically have to continue without a deal for probably the next decade at least.
Of course that doesn't mean we were unable to trade with the EU, but it would mean that UK goods and services were subject to import duty.
So, nearly 60 pages on - still no answers? Just some scare stories about trade agreements. LolI'm still undecided about which way to vote, but I tell you something.... every single argument I've heard from the 'In' campaign is actually a negative argument about what will happen should we leave.
It's well known that being negative (even if you're right) can turn people against your point of view (it's partly due to this that the Scotland vote was so much closer than people originally thought it would be) so I really do feel that the negative 'In' campaign is being counter-productive and could contribute to an 'Out' vote.
So, as an undecided voter, I've got a question for those who definitely want to remain in the EU...
Can I have some positives about what will happen should we vote to stay in the EU? If you can, I'd like specifics about what will improve for us.
If I see any negatives in the answer I'll just ignore it :-)
Well I guess we could vote English mps out if we didn't like them. Not sure given the dilution of our vote that's something we are able to do in the Eu even though it's accepted that 60 percent of laws now come from the Eu. Sovereignty and Democracy seem overrated nowadays.
Well I guess we could vote English mps out if we didn't like them. Not sure given the dilution of our vote that's something we are able to do in the Eu even though it's accepted that 60 percent of laws now come from the Eu. Sovereignty and Democracy seem overrated nowadays.
If I'm right the EU will want to agree a trade deal asap, if not WTO rules apply. Either outcome is fine by me.The point being that you've changed your tune from the "of course we'll be able to agree a trade deal" to "we don't need a trade deal".
An that just sums it up from the Remainians, nothing but bullshit and scare stories,
There is our trade with the EU, except its declining and has been since 1999 an they make nothing we can not get cheaper elsewhere.
There will be a trade war, except we are not the ones who will lose out at a ratio of 2-1 while out trade with the rest of the world is growing year on year.
There is the benefits of uncontrolled migration, but that begs the question why are the EU giving Turkey three billion a year plus visa free travel if its such a f*cking great benefit.
Greater "Safety" in having an EU army, just what you f*cking need when having a row, backup supplied by France an Italy.
Lets here the positives of staying in an organisation famed for its corruption and incompetence, how its such a stable platform to base our and our children s future on at a time when its lurching from crisis to crisis and fast becoming politically unstable.
Shall we discount the promises made an broken since the last referendum and happily march into the fully federalized EU that awaits.
Oh please SLS, do tell us all those lovely positives