EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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Our trade with the EU? 44% of our exports. Their exports to us? 16%. So our economy is less impacted than theirs? Oh, I seeeeeeee.

There you go again with that special kind of mummies little snowflake bullshite of using % that hide the truth, do we run a surplice or a deficit with the EU ?, and if so at what ratio ?
 
Forget about BMW, Audi, VW, Seat, Skoda, Porsche, Citroen, Renault, Fiat, Ferrari. And champagne and brie and camembert. And plum tomatoes and tulips and everything else.

But we dont have to think about that because they have no need to sell to us do they ?, no trade agreement ;0)
 
There you go again with that special kind of mummies little snowflake bullshite of using % that hide the truth, do we run a surplice or a deficit with the EU ?, and if so at what ratio ?

WTF are you on about? We run a deficit (OF FUCKING COURSE). But what on earth is the point of comparing absolutes when the RELATIVE importance to who you are dealing with is what matters.

If I steal £100 off a poor man in the street, is more painful to him than if I steal £200 from Elton fucking John?. I might be stealing 10% of the poor man's wealth and 0.00001% of Mr John's. So you CANNOT argue that the £200 is more damaging because it's more than £100. No-one could be so stupid as to argue that.

Our EU exports are 44% of our export business. Their exports to the UK are 16% of theirs. 44 is bigger than 16. We need them more than they need us. How fucking hard is this? It's like trying to talk to a cat sometimes on here.
 
Demos - the people. Members of the House of Skunks don't give a shit for the people the second they have been installed in their Westminster offices and they've found their way to the Expenses Officer..

You're allowed to vote for anyone who's standing in an election, or not vote if you don't want to. Same goes for the rest of the adult population. You just look at what they say they will do if elected and then pick the one you like the sound of best. Next time an election comes round, you can take into account how they performed while in power.

You're even allowed to stand as a candidate if you want.

Of course, none of this applies to the EU where you have to be the prime minister of an EU country if you want the right to choose a legislator
 
WTF are you on about? We run a deficit (OF FUCKING COURSE). But what on earth is the point of comparing absolutes when the RELATIVE importance to who you are dealing with is what matters.

If I steal £100 off a poor man in the street, is more painful to him than if I steal £200 from Elton fucking John?. I might be stealing 10% of the poor man's wealth and 0.00001% of Mr John's. So you CANNOT argue that the £200 is more damaging because it's more than £100. No-one could be so stupid as to argue that.

Our EU exports are 44% of our export business. Their exports to the UK are 16% of theirs. 44 is bigger than 16. We need them more than they need us. How fucking hard is this? It's like trying to talk to a cat sometimes on here.
The day after an exit vote we become their biggest export market and we will simply become another one of many countries who export and import goods to and from the EU whilst being an independent country.
 
WTF are you on about? We run a deficit (OF FUCKING COURSE). But what on earth is the point of comparing absolutes when the RELATIVE importance to who you are dealing with is what matters.

If I steal £100 off a poor man in the street, is more painful to him than if I steal £200 from Elton fucking John?. I might be stealing 10% of the poor man's wealth and 0.00001% of Mr John's. So you CANNOT argue that the £200 is more damaging because it's more than £100. No-one could be so stupid as to argue that.

Our EU exports are 44% of our export business. Their exports to the UK are 16% of theirs. 44 is bigger than 16. We need them more than they need us. How fucking hard is this? It's like trying to talk to a cat sometimes on here.
I think the second part of your arguement is somewhat flawed, if you don't mind me saying so.

The values do matter in these circumstances. Our percentage value is particular to us as is the EU's to them. It is entirely possible we could absorb a 44% drop in exports, particularly if dropping exporting to the EU meant we were free to and had opportunity to exploit other global markets which we currently do not have access to because we are constrained by the EU. The EU however may struggle to drop their exports by 16% with no alternative markets available to them to exploit.

Can you source these figures and percentages and provide absolute values?

I should add that I think this all a pretty pointless arguement in any case as we all know that in five years time, whether we vote in or out on June 23rd, we will still be buying VW, Mercedes and BMW cars... market forces will see to that. Yes if we vote to leave, there may have to be financial and costing adjustments to accommodate any additional tariffs but I'm guessing that will be a two way street...
 
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I think the second part of your arguement is somewhat flawed, if you don't mind me saying so.

The values do matter in these circumstances. Our percentage value is particular to us as is the EU's to them. It is entirely possible we could absorb a 44% drop in exports, particularly if dropping exporting to the EU meant we were free to and had opportunity to exploit other global markets which we currently do not have access to because we are constrained by the EU. The EU however may struggle to drop their exports by 16% with no alternative markets available to them to exploit.

Can you source these figures and percentages and provide absolute values?

I should add that I think this all a pretty pointless arguement in any case as we all know that in five years time, whether we vote in or out on June 23rd, we will still be buying VW, Mercedes and BMW cars... market forces will see to that. Yes if we vote to leave, there may have to be financial and costing adjustments to accommodate any additional tariffs but I'm guessing that will be a two way street...

In the main, i agree. I don't have the sources to hand, but the figures are commonly available. The point is though, the pound note values are not what matters, it's how relatively significant those figures are to the parties concerned. We aren't going to go bust the moment we leave are we, it's a just question of what will the consequences be and how it will impact our eonomy and as a result our individual affluence. One thing that isn't much commented on by the Innies is the impact of uncertainty on the economy. The UK has been on hold for 2 years now and that's reflected in the stock market which has seen no growth. Businesses are in limbo, hesitating on investment plans pending the answer to the Brexit question. The sooner we get clarity on the direction we're going in, the better.
 
Demos - the people. Members of the House of Skunks don't give a shit for the people the second they have been installed in their Westminster offices and they've found their way to the Expenses Officer..
You really are stupid. I can get to know my Mep as closely as I want to Christ I can even marry the fooker but the uk meps are completely diluted by the 100s of other meps from many other states with different issues and economic progression to us. In any event most of the laws coming from the Eu are enacted by the unelected Eurocrats and not even the meps.

As far as the uk is concerned the laws that are pushed on us from the Eu we have to take whether we like it or not, this referendum at least gives us chance to change that.
 
You really are stupid. I can get to know my Mep as closely as I want to Christ I can even marry the fooker but the uk meps are completely diluted by the 100s of other meps from many other states with different issues and economic progression to us. In any event most of the laws coming from the Eu are enacted by the unelected Eurocrats and not even the meps.

As far as the uk is concerned the laws that are pushed on us from the Eu we have to take whether we like it or not, this referendum at least gives us chance to change that.
Demos - the people. Members of the House of Skunks don't give a shit for the people the second they have been installed in their Westminster offices and they've found their way to the Expenses Officer..
Sorry that response was for mr chips and his black and white approach to the debate.

your point is a fair one but the same crap happens with meps.
 
I love the assumption that the day after a brexit all imports and exports would cease.
I'd better stock up on aldi cycling gear and parts for my Peugeot before we leave the EU?
Will the EU make us flood the channel tunnel or just brick it up their end?
 
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