EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Very good opinion piece in the Washington post today on Brexit and what could happen.

60% of non EU multinationals have London as their EU base and 40% of Europea biggest multinationals too, if even a third move what's the consequence.

3 months without a real prime minister what's the effect?

Northern Ireland what will the effect be on the peace if the border is no longer open and if half of the population feels it is being forced out by England?

What happens if the other 27 members can't reach unanimous agreement on the new deal?

How can fear and uncertainty be factored into any economic kid?

What if Scotland votes yes and England no?

Interested in thoughts of which of these will won't happen and which matter or don't matter?

Again posting thoughts oor rather questiona from an international paper
 
EalingBlue2 said:
We are stuck with the Tories for a fair while yet Joe
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For as long as we have Corbyn as the leader of the opposition I suspect you could be correct. Having said that, after the referendum I suspect ere will be siesmic shifts in the political structures, regardless of whether we remain or we leave. This referendum may be the best thing that has happened to us politically. We are due a major shakeup and upheaval.
 
sir baconface said:
OMG??? Haha. Are you old enough to post?
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Please stop with the age questions. Grooming on the internet will land you in trouble.

Apologies. I hastily misread your post starting 'ONS's' as OMGs, which is why I responded the way I did. In fact no, its partly why I responded the way I did. The fact you were a condescending fucktard in your original reply to my question on the immigration figures was the main reason why I think you're a dick. Admittedly politics is not my forte, so I came on here to ask a question, and rather than offer an insightful answer, you decided to jump on it and call it a lazy post and basically get a few sly digs in.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
If I tell my three year old not to play around with water near electrical items or she could get hurt, is that a threat or sensible advice? When did sensible advice become a threat and is this a deliberate and clever strategy to try and discredit sensible advice by brexiters?
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The scenario you paint about your daughter is an absolute fact, the advice you're comparing it with is more supposition and speculation. Therein lies the answer to the question you ask.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
For as long as we have Corbyn as the leader of the opposition I suspect you could be correct. Having said that, after the referendum I suspect ere will be siesmic shifts in the political structures, regardless of whether we remain or we leave. This referendum may be the best thing that has happened to us politically. We are due a major shakeup and upheaval.
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I think such a potentially huge change should trigger a general election because we elected our parties on the basis of their manifesto and plans for the country. George said yesterday a Brexit vote would require an emergency budget and a lot of changes, surely that requires the people to have their say on whether they want those changes? For Brexiters this will soon be your democracy given back after all....

Someone at somepoint also has to decide what EU legislation we plan to keep and what we plan to throw away, surely that also is a consitutional question to ask of the people?
 
inbetween said:
I think such a potentially huge change should trigger a general election because we elected our parties on the basis of their manifesto and plans for the country. George said yesterday a Brexit vote would require an emergency budget and a lot of changes, surely that requires the people to have their say on whether they want those changes? For Brexiters this will soon be your democracy given back after all....

Someone at somepoint also has to decide what EU legislation we plan to keep and what we plan to throw away, surely that also is a consitutional question to ask of the people?
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As far as I'm aware, there is no need for an emergency budget because if we do leave, then there would have to be a 'divorce deal' done with the EU. Furthermore, even if the majority want out, the government don't have to comply with that. But I could be talking bollocks.
 
inbetween said:
I think such a potentially huge change should trigger a general election because we elected our parties on the basis of their manifesto and plans for the country. George said yesterday a Brexit vote would require an emergency budget and a lot of changes, surely that requires the people to have their say on whether they want those changes? For Brexiters this will soon be your democracy given back after all....

Someone at somepoint also has to decide what EU legislation we plan to keep and what we plan to throw away, surely that also is a consitutional question to ask of the people?
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The reasons we should have a general election in my opinion are:

1. I don't think the country would trust Cameron to cut the best deal for us.
2. If that sparked a Tory leadership war then whoever wins, say out of Osborne and Johnson, would not have the full backing of the conservative Westminster MPs.

Both the above points will drive for an election, I suspect an election will address your other point about EU legislation through party manifestos.

I think there will be an election between 6 and 12 months after the referendum next Thursday!
 
ballbag said:
Please stop with the age questions. Grooming on the internet will land you in trouble.

Apologies. I hastily misread your post starting 'ONS's' as OMGs, which is why I responded the way I did. In fact no, its partly why I responded the way I did. The fact you were a condescending fucktard in your original reply to my question on the immigration figures was the main reason why I think you're a dick. Admittedly politics is not my forte, so I came on here to ask a question, and rather than offer an insightful answer, you decided to jump on it and call it a lazy post and basically get a few sly digs in.
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If I'm being honest, I was a bit over the top in my first post so I apologise for that.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Thank you.

I should also add I think eb is a thoughtful bloke with some interesting ideas on life and definitely means well it's just in this debate on the eu referendum , sometimes I think firstly Why do you care so much? and secondly, he is like a dog with a bone when starts debating!!!!!
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So SWP's opinions are valid despite him also being non resident in the UK?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
The reasons we should have a general election in my opinion are:

1. I don't think the country would trust Cameron to cut the best deal for us.
2. If that sparked a Tory leadership war then whoever wins, say out of Osborne and Johnson, would not have the full backing of the conservative Westminster MPs.

Both the above points will drive for an election, I suspect an election will address your other point about EU legislation through party manifestos.

I think there will be an election between 6 and 12 months after the referendum next Thursday!
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There will only be a general election if Tory MPs vote against the government or abstain in a vote of confidence. If the Tories change their leader, following the party rules, and then MPs vote to bring down the government, what would they expect to gain?
 
stonerblue said:
So SWP's opinions are valid despite him also being non resident in the UK?
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What SWP isn't a UK resident?

In fairness to the debate, I think it is important for posters to signal if they live outside the UK because we now realise that a lot of the flak EB2 has take has been a little bit hypocritical! We will let AlgarveBlu off!
 
cibaman said:
There will only be a general election if Tory MPs vote against the government or abstain in a vote of confidence. If the Tories change their leader, following the party rules, and then MPs vote to bring down the government, what would they expect to gain?
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I get what you're saying, however I don't think this Tory party, with such a slender majority could form a government, not even a rainbow government. Plus I they will feel that JC as leader of the opposition they will gave their best chance of winning it.

Either way, in or out, election or no election, there will be some interesting politics coming to us in the days ahead!
 
Tim of the Oak said:
What SWP isn't a UK resident?

In fairness to the debate, I think it is important for posters to signal if they live outside the UK because we now realise that a lot of the flak EB2 has take has been a little bit hypocritical! We will let AlgarveBlu off!
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What are you saying? The flak is hypocritical ir EB2 is hypocritical?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
What SWP isn't a UK resident?

In fairness to the debate, I think it is important for posters to signal if they live outside the UK because we now realise that a lot of the flak EB2 has take has been a little bit hypocritical! We will let AlgarveBlu off!
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He's somewhere in the UAE i think.
Personally i don't think it makes any difference where people live
 
stonerblue said:
He's somewhere in the UAE i think.
Personally i don't think it makes any difference where people live
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I agree where people live isn't a big deal to the debate on here. That said, IMHO it would be preferable if people who've left our country weren't allowed a vote in the referendum.

That is what happened in the Scottish referendum and since the Brexiters have stole the SNP's Comms strategy, there would be consistency too!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
For as long as we have Corbyn as the leader of the opposition I suspect you could be correct. Having said that, after the referendum I suspect ere will be siesmic shifts in the political structures, regardless of whether we remain or we leave. This referendum may be the best thing that has happened to us politically. We are due a major shakeup and upheaval.
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It depends people said that about the US and they had Cruz battling Donald. It seems that shake ups are just making things more short term, more populist and more dumbed down - I don't share your optimism and I see the same issue in or out
 
stonerblue said:
He's somewhere in the UAE i think.
Personally i don't think it makes any difference where people live
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Clearly it makes a huge difference if you don't have to live with the consequences of the referendum. The remain voters living in Australia will not have to worry about say the NHS bring swamped by a million Turkish immigrants or UK bailing out the Euro at some point

I don#t think anyone who does not reside or pay taxes in this country should have a vote on this
 
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