EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

Seeing as I am behind by 30 pages or so I assume that you have had been appropriately blasted for this disgusting post. Just how the fuck dare you post as if you have some right to speak as if you know the views of all those brave people that fought the wars - you arrogant and pompous fuckwit.

Really - did you have detailed conversations with your forefathers years ago where you discussed the possibility of a Brexit and garnered their views - I think that you are offensive to their memory by treating their sacrifices so casually just to support your blathering on an internet forum.

I was just speaking to my dad earlier as it is fathers days - so I can tell you the view of a real person that fought - rather than some view you invent.

It would be that you can fuck right off - or go bury your head even further up your arse than it already seems to be.

Brilliantly done, I criticise someone for speaking for all the soldiers - which you well know and you try to flick it.

Classic George w bush swift boat tactics - clever

 

[EalingBlue2]

Fuck me another one - did you have dinner with them really or are you conversing via a Ouija Board? I am lucky enough to speak to my dad and get his views direct - if not I would have more respect than to assume his views simply for keyboard warrior convenience.

Because no one else has ever spoken to relatives? Only you and the original poster I criticised can speak for the past? - you are an angry man , one who doesn't deserve the energy of trawling through your posts to Fox News them I won't.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I understand what you mean, but in the end they can't afford to be a pain to us either. We import a lot off them. They won't want us to stop buying the same amounts because of the impact on their economy. We could save money on trade agreements with other countries; are fastest growing markets are India, China, South Korea and the US. None of which we have trade agreements with. Switzerland have negotiated around 35 trillion worth of trade agreements, but the EU only opens up 5 trillion to us.

I genuinely believe trade is one of the most arguments to leave the EU; they will always need to trade with us, we're interdependent, that's globalisation. Our trade with the EU has been declining year on year as a % of our total trade, it's becoming more irrelevant, it's the worlds only stagnant trade bloc. The old man is a CEO for a business and half of their trade is with the EU, with the rest mainly US and China, he knows it won't affect them that much if we leave.

Much more compelling reasons are the financial services etc...

Two questions:
How is your old man party to future trade negotiations? If so what's the trade deal we will get? How can 50% of all two way trade be"more irellevant"?

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20140429_01087318

 

[EalingBlue2]

Should I bother setting my alarm for work tomorrow?

Day off

 

[117 M34]

I'm voting Leave.

There is no good reason why we should allow foreigners to make our laws.

Tell me 3 laws brought in by the EU that you don't agree with and wouldn't have been brought in by our governments had we not been in the EU

 

[InMyLifetime-BaconChops]

Two questions:
How is your old man party to future trade negotiations? If so what's the trade deal we will get? How can 50% of all two way trade be"more irellevant"?

He isn't. But he knows that in the event that we do leave, that trade with the EU will not be hampered anywhere near that is emphasised, otherwise he wouldn't be risking his company through it. But ah yes he isn't on the board of the EU how does he know! Well alright, if the EU place tariffs on us, we'll simply do the same. Why would the EU want to make trade more expensive, French farmers out of business, German car factories lowering output - of course they'll be pissed off, but they're not stupid (arguably).

I said it's getting less and less important, the future is quite clearly global, not local. Economies have doubled in size over the last 10 years, the EU's is the same size. The EU will continue to stay stagnant, our economy however is already predicted to take over Germany's by 2025. Our actual biggest trading country is the US, do we have a trade deal with them? No.

 

[EalingBlue2]

He isn't. But he knows that in the event that we do leave, that trade with the EU will not be hampered anywhere near that is emphasised, otherwise he wouldn't be risking his company through it. But ah yes he isn't on the board of the EU how does he know! Well alright, if the EU place tariffs on us, we'll simply do the same. Why would the EU want to make trade more expensive, French farmers out of business, German car factories lowering output - of course they'll be pissed off, but they're not stupid (arguably).

I said it's getting less and less important, the future is quite clearly global, not local. Economies have doubled in size over the last 10 years, the EU's is the same size. The EU will continue to stay stagnant, our economy however is already predicted to take over Germany's by 2025. Our actual biggest trading country is the US, do we have a trade deal with them? No.

That's is one of the Better Brexit posts but you should do yourself a service and voice your own opinions.

The trading relationship with the US is actually one of the strongest remain reasons. It is strongly what the US want, not just Obama but the US much more generally. Just read some of he opinion pieces in New York Times , Washington post etc.

Something like 70% of US multinationals with EU headquarters have the most in the UK and for them the UK is a great step into Europe. This brings lots of vergood jobs to the UK and gives us an even bigger voice.

As for global trade, everyone else is forming blocs as we propose to go it alone

 

[Yaya_Tony]

What single handed? I don't think so.

What age are they? Must being doing really well for more than one of them to be still around - not that I am suggesting that you could be 'overstating' given the calm and considered manner of the posts of yours that I have seen.

My father fought in the 2nd world war and he is still alive. At a recent reunion where there were others still surviving - whilst this was not a main topic of conversation but where the subject did come up - when it did all the old 'uns were unanimous in being for Leave - not one was remotely in the remain campaign.

And all that about thinking an out vote being stupid?? - Well your grandparents must be very untypical - all the ones I spoke to could not see past the view that it is a betrayal of all they fought for - basically giving Germany the control they fought against.

Whilst that is not a view I would share in a Europe of 2016 you could understand war veterans having that view - as I say your grandparents must just be really special and well-balanced - I can see where you get it from.

Mid 80s. Grandad grew up in levy, Nonna saw the allies liberate her village in sicily.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Or people could choose to get out of bed and vote for their MEPs!

Who will then get voted down by people who have zero interest in any issues facing the UK.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No one's lives will be ruined by an In vote though. People may be pissed off but it's just a continuance of whatever level of being pissed off they are already at.

An out vote is a step into the unknown and whilst I'm interested to see why would happen, it reminds me of being 12 and wondering what would happen if I pissed on an electric cattle fence. Turns out some things are best left unknown.

Like your other interests as a 12 year old :)

 

[Blue&whitestripes]

That's is one of the Better Brexit posts but you should do yourself a service and voice your own opinions.

The trading relationship with the US is actually one of the strongest remain reasons. It is strongly what the US want, not just Obama but the US much more generally. Just read some of he opinion pieces in New York Times , Washington post etc.

Something like 70% of US multinationals with EU headquarters have the most in the UK and for them the UK is a great step into Europe. This brings lots of vergood jobs to the UK and gives us an even bigger voice.

As for global trade, everyone else is forming blocs as we propose to go it alone

'Scuse me butting in here - and apologies if you've already seen these (I haven't been keeping up with this thread) but I think these are very relevant to this specific topic



This second vid is longer (~25mins) but IMO well worth the time.

 

[YPhrunts]

'Scuse me butting in here - and apologies if you've already seen these (I haven't been keeping up with this thread) but I think these are very relevant to this specific topic



This second vid is longer (~25mins) but IMO well worth the time.

They've already been put down.
This one is far more interesting.

 

[Leech]

They've already been put down.
This one is far more interesting.

Go on...

Also just read the guy in your video is great personal friends with Farage and has close ties to UKIP.
Any particular reason his word alone is more believable than the other 50,000 economists that say we are better off in?

 

[YPhrunts]

Go on...

Also just read the guy in your video is great personal friends with Farage and has close ties to UKIP.
Any particular reason his word alone is more believable than the other 50,000 economists that say we are better off in?

50,000? You sure you're not underestimating?
And talking of just one of your 50,000 that has hidden connections and is a source for Osborne's estimates...the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – is a Europhile think-tank funded by the EU and the British government.

I doubt this guy is a friend of Farage or has close ties to UKIP though.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/

 

[KenTheLandlord]

50,000? You sure you're not underestimating?
I doubt this guy is a friend of Farage or has close ties to UKIP.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/

Oh dear.

Jim Mellon on being a pal of Nigel Farage

Island multi-millionaire Jim Mellon has told of his friendship with Nigel Farage.
Mr Mellon invited the Ukip chief to his birthday lunch at a top restaurant in Brussels.
The businessman, who is worth £850 million, also vehemently denies the charge of being Britain’s answer to Warren Buffett.
He said of the comparison to American tycoon Buffett: ‘I’m younger than him and I only have a fraction of his wealth.’
In a wide-ranging interview with the Mail on Sunday Mr Mellon, 57, describes Mr Farage as a ‘friend’ rather than pinning his political colours to the Ukip mast.
It emerged recently that Mr Mellon had introduced Mr Farage to a millionaire leading donor.


http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/business/jim-mellon-on-being-a-pal-of-nigel-farage-1-6973815

 

[Leech]

50,000? You sure you're not underestimating?
And talking of just one of your 50,000 that has hidden connections and is a source for Osborne's estimates...the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – is a Europhile think-tank funded by the EU and the British government.

I doubt this guy is a friend of Farage or has close ties to UKIP though.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/

Have you actually read what Deutsche Bank said? They said the FTSE 100 would fall by 5% if we Brexit, in comparison to 10% on the European Stoxx 600, meaning we outperform European companies in a "best of the sh!t" scenario, and only because of the weakening of the pound combined with the FTSE 100 being mostly made up of export-based companies. However we are actually a heavily import-based nation so overall we're buggered.

Deutsche Bank also said in the same release that if we stay in the EU the Stoxx 600 and even more so the FTSE 100 will see substantial rises.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Have you actually read what Deutsche Bank said? They said the FTSE 100 would fall by 5% if we Brexit, in comparison to 10% on the European Stoxx 600, meaning we outperform European companies in a "best of the sh!t" scenario, and only because of the weakening of the pound combined with the FTSE 100 being mostly made up of export-based companies. However we are actually a heavily import-based nation so overall we're buggered.

Deutsche Bank also said in the same release that if we stay in the EU the Stoxx 600 and even more so the FTSE 100 will see substantial rises.

It was all a Breibart article that brexiters took as fact without reading. The misinformation of the right

 

[mcfc1632]

So I ask again WHY could he not simply say, if it came to the vote whilst I'm in office I will Veto it? Whether it's going to happen or not is irrelevant he was asked if he would veto it IF it did happen and the wouldn't say no.

I am surprised that Dimbleby did mot pin him on this and remind him of his speech in Turkey in which he stated that he would be the biggest advocate for them joining and that he would "pave the way from Ankara to Brussels" -the real - if inconvenient - truth of his position

 

[Leech]

I am surprised that Dimbleby did mot pin him on this and remind him of his speech in Turkey in which he stated that he would be the biggest advocate for them joining and that he would "pave the way from Ankara to Brussels" -the real - if inconvenient - truth of his position

He did, Cameron responded by saying that at that moment he showed eminent positivity towards Turkey in order to bring them more in line with the Western world (a very important thing given their geographic location). He also said that if Turkey were to be able to join the EU right now he would oppose it, but that was a non-issue as it won't happen during his tenure. Indeed he went further and explained that Turkey were literally less than 1/30th of the way towards joining the EU from their application decades ago and that on the current timeline at least they wouldn't be members for hundreds of years.