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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/648308/another-reason-LEAVE-UK-splash-1BN-welfare-EU-migrants
Yet ANOTHER reason to LEAVE the union: UK to splash out £1BN on welfare for EU migrants
THE COST of welfare to unemployed EU migrants in the UK is on track to breaking the £1billion mark new figures have revealed.
By DAVID MADDOX, POLITICAL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Mon, Feb 29, 2016 | UPDATED: 11:25, Mon, Feb 29, 2016
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In 2013/14 welfare to jobless EU migrants cost the taxpayer £886million
In a huge blow to the Remain campaign a 43-page government dossier has revealed that in 2013/14 welfare to jobless EU migrants cost the taxpayer £886million.
The colossal bill for the taxpayer only included the amount claimed in jobseeker's Allowance, Housing Benefit and sickness pay in and excludes tens of millions more going out of Britain in child benefits.
It also does not include the millions spent on EU immigrants in benefits working in the UK.
The revelation comes after evidence that the European Court of Justice may overrule Mr Cameron's deal and former Home Secretary Alan Johnson admitted it will do nothing to stem the flow of migrants coming into the UK each year.
Mr Johnson, who heads Labour's Remain campaign, has dismissed the so called emergency break negotiated by the Prime Minister which it is claimed would put people off from coming to the UK by limiting their ability to claim benefits.
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The 43-page government dossier’s revelation is a huge blow to the Remain campaign
He said: “That wasn't my package, that was David Cameron's package.
“It's important in fairness, in terms of people making contributions before they take working tax credits for instance, but I never thought this was a draw in terms of people coming to Europe.
“There are issues we can do that will stop exploitation, which I think is people's major worry, and we don't need the rest of Europe to do that."
Fears have been raised that the problem is only set to get worse if British voters support staying in the EU on 23 June.
The pros and cons of Brexit
Fri, February 26, 2016
The pros and cons of Brexit.
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That wasn't my package, that was David Cameron's package
Mr Johnson
Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are pushing for Turkey with a 75million, mostly poor muslim population to be allowed in the block in the next five years while Bosnia is also applying for membership.
Ukip Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall said that the latest immigration figures - with net migration at 323,000 - show the Government's pledge to reduce net migration to tens of thousands “continues to be laughable". He pointed out that in the year to September 2015 55,000 came to the UK from Romania and Bulgaria and a similar number came from the crisis hit economies of Italy and Greece.
He warned that the welfare bill could not fail to break the billion pound mark even with Mr Cameron's deal.
He said: “With the economic crisis in Eurozone getting worse far from reducing economic migration we will see it continue to accelerate from southern and eastern Europe.
“This means the benefits bill cannot fail to break the £1 billion mark".
However, he added: “David Cameron was wrong because restricting benefits is not the way to stop immigration, getting control of our borders is the way to stop immigration.
“Even senior figures like Alan Johnson in the Remain campaign recognise that Cameron's EU deal doesn't work."
Mr Johnson's admission was also seized on by the Vote Leave campaign group as further evidence of Mr Cameron's failure to understand the problems with the EU.
A Vote Leave spokesman said: “Even Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE)'s own supporters admit that the renegotiation won't impact on immigration.
“It shows that the only safe option is to vote Leave."
Downing Street has said that cash going to the jobless from the EU totalled £700million before “a clampdown" was put in place.
However, detailed statistics published alongside the report by the Department for Work and Pensions reveal the total “out-of-work expenditure" on European migrants was £886million in 2013-14.
The European Court of Justice may yet overrule the deal restricting benefits
Of this, £465 million went on Housing Benefit, £216 million on Jobseeker's Allowance and the remaining £205 million on disability payments.
And echoing Justice Secretary Michael Gove's warning last week that the European Court of Justice may yet overrule the deal restricting benefits, he added: “This EU deal leaves power in the hands of EU officials and EU judges."
The 43-page dossier, en titled The Best Of Both Worlds, claims that about 40 per cent of recent arrivals from the EU are in households that get benefits.
It also admits EU migrants received £2.5 billion of benefits for workers on low incomes, made up of Housing Benefit and Working Tax Credits, ten per cent of the total UK bill.
It came after the Government attempted to block figures coming out into the public domain despite efforts by Tory backbenchers.
Cameron’s plan to restrict benefits was dismissed by Ukip Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall
Shipley MP Philip Davies said: “It's amazing we've got some figures at last, but one has to question how reliable they are.
“They certainly won't be underestimates. It's quite clear that immigration has gone up recently so the figures must be well over a billion pounds now, even by the Government's own estimates.
“At last we are laying bare the huge cost of being a member of the EU. The changes the Prime Minister has negotiated are trifling – the only way to restrict benefits to EU migrants is to leave the EU."
Fellow eurosceptic Tory MP Christopher Chope, who recently tabled a Bill to cut Child Benefit sent abroad, added that welfare paid to immigrants remains Aa very significant sum, and if the British taxpayer realised they would be even more concerned."
He went on: “I think this is why the Government has always been extremely reluctant to disclose the information."
Downing Street has said that the cost of welfare to EU citizens will be reduced as a result of Mr Cameron's deal “because of the emergency brake.."
Yet ANOTHER reason to LEAVE the union: UK to splash out £1BN on welfare for EU migrants
THE COST of welfare to unemployed EU migrants in the UK is on track to breaking the £1billion mark new figures have revealed.
By DAVID MADDOX, POLITICAL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Mon, Feb 29, 2016 | UPDATED: 11:25, Mon, Feb 29, 2016
In 2013/14 welfare to jobless EU migrants cost the taxpayer £886million
In a huge blow to the Remain campaign a 43-page government dossier has revealed that in 2013/14 welfare to jobless EU migrants cost the taxpayer £886million.
The colossal bill for the taxpayer only included the amount claimed in jobseeker's Allowance, Housing Benefit and sickness pay in and excludes tens of millions more going out of Britain in child benefits.
It also does not include the millions spent on EU immigrants in benefits working in the UK.
The revelation comes after evidence that the European Court of Justice may overrule Mr Cameron's deal and former Home Secretary Alan Johnson admitted it will do nothing to stem the flow of migrants coming into the UK each year.
Mr Johnson, who heads Labour's Remain campaign, has dismissed the so called emergency break negotiated by the Prime Minister which it is claimed would put people off from coming to the UK by limiting their ability to claim benefits.
The 43-page government dossier’s revelation is a huge blow to the Remain campaign
He said: “That wasn't my package, that was David Cameron's package.
“It's important in fairness, in terms of people making contributions before they take working tax credits for instance, but I never thought this was a draw in terms of people coming to Europe.
“There are issues we can do that will stop exploitation, which I think is people's major worry, and we don't need the rest of Europe to do that."
Fears have been raised that the problem is only set to get worse if British voters support staying in the EU on 23 June.
The pros and cons of Brexit
Fri, February 26, 2016
The pros and cons of Brexit.
GETTY IMAGES
That wasn't my package, that was David Cameron's package
Mr Johnson
Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are pushing for Turkey with a 75million, mostly poor muslim population to be allowed in the block in the next five years while Bosnia is also applying for membership.
Ukip Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall said that the latest immigration figures - with net migration at 323,000 - show the Government's pledge to reduce net migration to tens of thousands “continues to be laughable". He pointed out that in the year to September 2015 55,000 came to the UK from Romania and Bulgaria and a similar number came from the crisis hit economies of Italy and Greece.
He warned that the welfare bill could not fail to break the billion pound mark even with Mr Cameron's deal.
He said: “With the economic crisis in Eurozone getting worse far from reducing economic migration we will see it continue to accelerate from southern and eastern Europe.
“This means the benefits bill cannot fail to break the £1 billion mark".
However, he added: “David Cameron was wrong because restricting benefits is not the way to stop immigration, getting control of our borders is the way to stop immigration.
“Even senior figures like Alan Johnson in the Remain campaign recognise that Cameron's EU deal doesn't work."
Mr Johnson's admission was also seized on by the Vote Leave campaign group as further evidence of Mr Cameron's failure to understand the problems with the EU.
A Vote Leave spokesman said: “Even Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE)'s own supporters admit that the renegotiation won't impact on immigration.
“It shows that the only safe option is to vote Leave."
Downing Street has said that cash going to the jobless from the EU totalled £700million before “a clampdown" was put in place.
However, detailed statistics published alongside the report by the Department for Work and Pensions reveal the total “out-of-work expenditure" on European migrants was £886million in 2013-14.
The European Court of Justice may yet overrule the deal restricting benefits
Of this, £465 million went on Housing Benefit, £216 million on Jobseeker's Allowance and the remaining £205 million on disability payments.
And echoing Justice Secretary Michael Gove's warning last week that the European Court of Justice may yet overrule the deal restricting benefits, he added: “This EU deal leaves power in the hands of EU officials and EU judges."
The 43-page dossier, en titled The Best Of Both Worlds, claims that about 40 per cent of recent arrivals from the EU are in households that get benefits.
It also admits EU migrants received £2.5 billion of benefits for workers on low incomes, made up of Housing Benefit and Working Tax Credits, ten per cent of the total UK bill.
It came after the Government attempted to block figures coming out into the public domain despite efforts by Tory backbenchers.
Cameron’s plan to restrict benefits was dismissed by Ukip Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall
Shipley MP Philip Davies said: “It's amazing we've got some figures at last, but one has to question how reliable they are.
“They certainly won't be underestimates. It's quite clear that immigration has gone up recently so the figures must be well over a billion pounds now, even by the Government's own estimates.
“At last we are laying bare the huge cost of being a member of the EU. The changes the Prime Minister has negotiated are trifling – the only way to restrict benefits to EU migrants is to leave the EU."
Fellow eurosceptic Tory MP Christopher Chope, who recently tabled a Bill to cut Child Benefit sent abroad, added that welfare paid to immigrants remains Aa very significant sum, and if the British taxpayer realised they would be even more concerned."
He went on: “I think this is why the Government has always been extremely reluctant to disclose the information."
Downing Street has said that the cost of welfare to EU citizens will be reduced as a result of Mr Cameron's deal “because of the emergency brake.."
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yep
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Seriously you're quoting from the Express?
It's owner Richard Desmond is a rabid anti-EU Ukipper because he's currently prohibited from buying up more media due to E.U. laws preventing the loss of local media.
IanBishopsHaircut
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Facts are facts...doesn't matter where they come from
Possibly but then at the very most that represents only 37% of the 65% of the entire country who turned out to the election. Whichever way you cut it that is only 10/11M of 70M or more votes giving them a mandate to decide an entire future which the vast majority of voters have not even considered.
They aren't facts. They never are in the Daily Express. They are always cherry picked to pander to the ex-BNP/EDL/Britain First crowd.
It's a running joke among reporters and the news media at how ridiculous the Daily Express is.
They only ever cover 3 things, immigrants, the E.U. and a cure for Alzheimers.
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