EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Remain. It will not happen again. Honest!

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EalingBlue2 said:
That shows how you don't get it, this is not about proving how clever you are and voting out to spite Cameron or Osbourne or Ealing it is about the future of the country and its potential prosperity. If Brexit wins I will be saddened as all I will see is ridiculous triumphalism that will end in bitter disappointment as reality sets in . I won't get any pleasure about that disappointment and the problems that will come at all. As has already been pointed out endlessly I won't have to deal with much of that fall out unless it becomes truly global and may even benefit if Brexit hurts EU trade or moves capital from Europe anyway.

i fail to see how anyone will be set straight next week from either camp regardless of the result - will you change your vies and be set straight if remain wins?
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I will do what I have done supporting City for 45 years, moan like fuck for a bit because we lost, then get on with it..! I'm off to watch England v Wales now, bit like a State of Origin match down under.. Now I really will moan like fuck if the sheep shaggers beat us....!!!
 
argyle said:
Splitting hairs.

'Caring' about immigration usually means not liking immigrants.
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Not at all, caring about something one way does not mean you have to hate the other

I will vote out, I am against uncontrolled EU immigration and I am worried/concerned, that as the Eurozone gets worse the immigration will only increase - if you take that as 'hating foreigners' then you are either incredibly stupid(I doubt) or on the wind up(seems more likely)

By the way, I'm posting this from Turkey and my missus' dad comes from St Kitts - just thought I'd add that in, just incase you really did think I 'hated foreigners'
 
argyle said:
Spoken like a true outer.

Polls back up what I've said. The main issue that voters care about is immigration and migration.
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Actually I have become more split as the time comes closer, can see the benefits of staying in, I understand alot more about the EU than I did in the beginning but then the issue for me has never been immigration, I just spent the last year being an immigrant and I cant be a hypocrite. Unfortunately alot of outers dont realise is that immigration wouldnt change. The problem with out is that also there is no precedence to follow or a guideline it would be new territory and 3 years down the line we would probably still be in europe ironing out the details
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
Oh on the subject of immigration...is their any country in the world where you can rock up and claim benefits despite never contributing anything at all to the government coffers?

Did you know that Spain has no benefits system at all that is not contribution based...if you've not worked...you get nada unless you're disabled and physically unable to work

That alone is fucking bat shit bonkers

Regardless of the outcome this has to be addressed
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Immigrants can't just come to the UK and claim benefits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25134521
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Actually I have become more split as the time comes closer, can see the benefits of staying in, I understand alot more about the EU than I did in the beginning but then the issue for me has never been immigration, I just spent the last year being an immigrant and I cant be a hypocrite. Unfortunately alot of outers dont realise is that immigration wouldnt change. The problem with out is that also there is no precedence to follow or a guideline it would be new territory and 3 years down the line we would probably still be in europe ironing out the details
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Fully agree.
 
From The Spectator : http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/out-and-into-the-world-why-the-spectator-is-for-leave/

Since 1975 the EU has mutated in exactly the way we then feared and now resembles nothing so much as the Habsburg Empire in its dying days. A bloated bureaucracy that has outgrown all usefulness. A parliament that represents many nations, but with no democratic legitimacy. Countries on its periphery pitched into poverty, or agitating for secession. The EU’s hunger for power has been matched only by its incompetence. The European Union is making the people of our continent poorer, and less free.

This goes far beyond frustration at diktats on banana curvature. The EU has started to deform our government. Michael Gove revealed how, as a cabinet member, he regularly finds himself having to process edicts, rules and regulations that have been framed at European level. Laws that no one in Britain had asked for, and which no one elected to the House of Commons has the power to change. What we refer to as British government is increasingly no such thing. It involves the passing of laws written by people whom no one in Britain elected, no one can name and no one can remove.
 
Push comes to shove I think some outers will bottle it and it will be a narrow win to the inners. I'm still undecided
 
SWP's back said:
Again bollocks. You're talking about 2 points on an index. Which can be added in a morning of trading.

Stop lying.
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The English are inherently suspicious of people who are always 100% certain of their opinions. So whether people on here are in or out, I think they stopped listening to EB2 a long time ago.
 
Whatever the result I'd love to hear the plan for the next 2 years.
Remain: How to address immigration? How to prevent the Euro? How to prevent an EU armed force? How to prevent greater federalism? Timelines for all.
Leave: How to setup a fair and efficient visa system? How to put trading agreements in place? How to replace jobs that'll be lost? How to build a stronger economy for the long term? Timeline for all.

Anyway enjoy the game! Hope Sterling plays well despite Wales winning. :-)
 
argyle said:
Immigrants can't just come to the UK and claim benefits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25134521
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886 million pounds in benefits were handed out to European migrants in 2013/14...that amount will now be considerably larger

This is direct from the welfare bill

4 in 10 EU migrants are in a household that claims benefits

The only caveat being that the PM is currently trying to negotiate an 'emergency brake' deal with the EU...even then...we need the EU's permission to use it

If we vote out...we will have no need for that discussion

As it stands currently migrants only have to wait 3 months for full benefit..ludicrous
 
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IanBishopsHaircut said:
886 million pounds in benefits were handed out to European migrants in 2013/14...that amount will now be considerably larger

This is direct from the welfare bill

4 in 10 EU migrants are in a household that claims benefits

The only caveat being that the PM is currently trying to negotiate an 'emergency brake' deal with the EU

If we vote out...we will have no need for that discussion
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Where are these stats from? Sounds very much like the bullet points from Migration Watch which is a far right think tank which is regularly discredited.

If not then I would still need to look in more detail.

You say benefits but then quote the welfare bill which also includes such things as pensions, child credit and in work benefits.
 
SWP's back said:
Again bollocks. You're talking about 2 points on an index. Which can be added in a morning of trading.

Stop lying.
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How can saying a stock market goes down when it has factually gone down be lying. You are denying the market went down on Brexit fears. Of course it can go back in a morning as it can double up in a morning ? havent seen you get so excited about anything for ages - as I said if you are concerned phone up the FT and the AFR and raise with them.
 
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