EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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bellbuzzer said:
seems to me the referendum, which is more important than a general election, is in grave need of postponement.
The media, overwhelmingly for leaving, gets more hysterical every day, any pretence of impartiality long abandoned.
Each side wheels out ''experts'' to back them, yet before debate can prove or disprove the claims they are washed away by yet more hyperbole. The idea of the country taking such a crucial step on a 40% turnout is not acceptable, not least because politicians of all persuasions have themselves to blame for their well-earned reputation for sleaze and self-interest. But that would take such a u-turn it can never happen.
The outers seem to have settled on immigration as their "joker", not surprising as everything else is speculation. All the froth about a federal superstate, German ambition for total dominion over the EU, Turkey sending 12m migrants to the UK. british laws for the british etc, can all be talked about ad nauseum, whereas the public can see "immigrants", and voila we have a scapegoat.
The remain campaign is directly in the firing line of the mail express telegraph and the murdoch gutter press, formidable enemies of democracy, by any measure. That being so, the remain case is doing better than it should, all things considered, but not really scoring enough points to swing the pendulum.
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Relax mate, the result will be Remain, and by a significant majority. You can count on it.
 
Is there anything more false than the 'politician laugh'? Cameron makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up when he does it.
 
smudgedj said:
That was painful. I´m not sure even he believes what he´s saying.
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That's the thing, he doesn't. He is a Tory who for years has done nothing but slam the EU and for reasons I'm not too sure, now feels it necessary to ruin whatever political reputation he has trying to convince us to stay in.

Take the actual politics out of it tonight, he is normally a very smooth operator but tonight he was flustered and just lost it at times.
 
blueinsa said:
That's the thing, he doesn't. He is a Tory who for years has done nothing but slam the EU and for reasons I'm not too sure, now feels it necessary to ruin whatever political reputation he has trying to convince us to stay in.

Take the actual politics out of it tonight, he is normally a very smooth operator but tonight he was flustered and just lost it at times.
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On where? I want to listen.
 
inchy14 said:
Missed this as WW111 just broke out at home and we've not even voted out yet!!!

Anyone able to summarise, Sky news saying it was disappointing.
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He got it in the neck over immigration, especially given his own manifesto promise just 12 months ago, the fact he has got nowhere near meeting it and now wants us to vote to stay in a club that will never allow him or anyone to have a say in how many come in.

After that it was mainly trade but again, most just didn't appreciate or believe his doom and gloom predictions and openly slated him for a negative campaign.
 
blueinsa said:
He got it in the neck over immigration, especially given his own manifesto promise just 12 months ago, the fact he has got nowhere near meeting it and now wants us to vote to stay in a club that will never allow him or anyone to have a say in how many come in.

After that it was mainly trade but again, most just didn't appreciate or believe his doom and gloom predictions and openly slated him for a negative campaign.
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Cheers mate.
 
CityStu said:
The economy isn't the be all and end all. Do you think it'd be good for the economy for us all to work for much less, to the delight of our employers?
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It will be the main outcome of Brexit and unless spend is going to be cut or tax increased with consumers buying differently and unless the UK is going to invest in infrastructure and education and drive productivity that way it's the future for the UK
 
CityStu said:
I would generally agree. To get the best public services you need to get the most tax take you can and the best way to do that is putting reasonable levies on big wages.

The EU drives down wages, taking money out of the pocket of the man on the street (builder now having to compete with the Poles) and into the pockets of the rich (commissioning the building work). Having fewer people able to spend stagnates the economy as the rich can only spend so much.
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The EU doesn't drive down. Wages, the Brotish businessman looking to drive productivity without investment drives down wages and the British consumer buying a cheaper Chinese offering drives down wages. Blaming poles for driving down wages is like a child abuser blaming the child (not in severity) The employer makes the choice who they employ and they do that for reasons of profit. That is the issue not the availability of the Poles who are only there because there is demand for them.
Wages are stagnant across the globe in every western country and its the same in AUs and the US it's because we are recovering from a catastrophic global financial crisis and not because of poles.
 
sir baconface said:
No way will it be postponed.

i suspect the turnout will be affected by the number who just don't know what to believe. That's mainly because there is a dearth of facts and a surfeit of exaggerated claims (coming from both camps.)

Immigration is not a joker. it's a real issue. Anyone who falls to appreciate that has their head in the sand.

What you call the gutter press may have deficiencies, I grant you. However it's about the only defence we have had against totalitarian PC over the last few years, when the two main parties have been virtually indistinguishable on the subject. If the chattering class don't like it, fcuk em.
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So a group of tax dodgers , at least one of whom is an American Aussie who has been quite open about not being a fan of Britain and whose sole aim is to cut British labour rights should be trusted to have your interests at heart
 
EalingBlue2 said:
So a group of tax dodgers , at least one of whom is an American Aussie who has been quite open about not being a fan of Britain and whose sole aim is to cut British labour rights should be trusted to have your interests at heart
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No but they serve a purpose. I'm sure they rank their own interests higher than mine. You do make a lot of assumptions don't you?
 
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