EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Wonderful.... Absolutely bloody marvellous.

Currently. The BBC News strap line....

Remain MPs are currently considering using their parliamentary majority for Britain to Remain in the EU if public vote to leave.

BBC News strap line, check it out now 12:30.
 
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smudgedj said:
It´s a joke over here. A proper coup, she is right in what she says. I read somewhere yesterday that they have stopped delivering food to her house under government orders. The majority of people who voted for in the senate for impeachment of the president are under investigation for fraud (this isn´t falsifying a taxi ride this is taking millions in bribes)
To save a bit of cash the new guy said that they weren´t going to employ DRs for the poor people any more and they had to get insurance. Which went down well. He rescinded it when it was pointed out that the poor people are about to burn the cities to the ground.
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Just in time for the olympics - looks a car crash on the news, a few South American countries going through grief at the moment. Wonder what will happen next though now in Brazil
 
EalingBlue2 said:
There is a lot of truth in that, we have been the petulant teenager for way to long, too sulky to influence for good but still dependent enough to be staying at home. I tend to think of its am in vote we need to buck up and become a positive force for the Europe we want rather than the reluctant teenager.

I think soon enough, within decades Europe will be superceeeded by something bigger and countries in and out of the EU will become more and more interdependent every single day so it may not matter.

The question is do we want to shape what comes or be a spectator along for the ride?
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BigJoe#1 said:
Wonderful.... Absolutely bloody marvellous.

Currently. The BBC News strap line....

Remain MPs are currently considering using their parliamentary majority for Britain to Remain in the EU if public vote to leave.

BBC News strap line, check it out now 12:30.
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And people wonder why far right parties are increasing in popularity...

The more the left tell people to do what's good for them, the more people wonder if they actually have their best interests in mind.

If this happens (referendum says Out but MPs say In) UKIP will win the next GE by a landslide.
 
kippax4ever said:
But you still didn't answer the question,Is it right that british taxpayers fund large companies who pay low wages then,
Seeing dave said 40% are getting £10k in in work benefits & some are getting up to £20k..
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Your question assumes a position and is phrased in a way that I don't accept.

Companies should pay the going rate for the work that needs to be done. If we deem as a society that the rates the bottom end are too low to sustain a quality of life that we think is appropriate then yes, the government should help those people with appropriate financial support.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Wonderful.... Absolutely bloody marvellous.

Currently. The BBC News strap line....

Remain MPs are currently considering using their parliamentary majority for Britain to Remain in the EU if public vote to leave.

BBC News strap line, check it out now 12:30.
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Doesn't surprise me one bit but does give the game away as to how they are being briefed about how the vote is looking to go right now.

if it was to happen, every single one of them should be outed publicly as non democratic and ousted at the next election regardless of political persuasion.
 
Tuearts right boot said:
My thinking is that if the UK pulls out how many others would follow suit and if so that would leave the 'eu' a bit of a dead duck.
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Could be totally wrong but - if that happened - there could be a scramble in the EU to make real compromises on stuff like immigration. You know, the sort of things some of us had hoped for from Cameron's "negotiation". That might be followed by a second referendum in the UK.

I actually think a good number of Brexiteers would prefer to stay in IF an accommodation could be found on the immigration issue. Not sure what it would look like exactly but there must be some middle ground between uncontrolled numbers and tight restrictions.
 
Tuearts right boot said:
My thinking is that if the UK pulls out how many others would follow suit and if so that would leave the 'eu' a bit of a dead duck.
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It could do or the EU Countires could work to get the International
companies who located in the UK to access The EU Market to relocate and share the benefits!
 
Tim of the Oak said:
It could do or the EU Countires could work to get the International
companies who located in the UK to access The EU Market to relocate and share the benefits!
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If the Uk votes out (it won't) then there'd be calls for referendums in most EU countries.
 
sir baconface said:
I actually think a good number of Brexiteers would prefer to stay in IF an accommodation could be found on the immigration issue. Not sure what it would look like exactly but there must be some middle ground between uncontrolled numbers and tight restrictions.
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Its far more than that, the difference between a free trade arrangement and the EU of today plotting to take over europe by hook or by crook is plain for all to see.
That some people can not or will not for there own reasons is amazing in itself, not the politicians who are mostly corrupt to the core, but people you would expect to be able to think things through to the logical conclusion of where and what the EU is leading to seem oblivious to the consequences of a remain vote.
 
For anyone that may have doubted that remain MPs would do this, see the link below

The questions I have are...?

1) Are they entitled to do this?

2) If they did it would it be legally binding? They are there to represent the public, nothing more nothing less, if and its a big IF the public do vote to leave can they legally go against public wishes?

This does smell like there is a bit of panic and contingency planning going on. I would be particularly interested in the views of the BM Remainers about this, notably about, why do you think they're taking thus stance and quite simply, is it fair and democratic?

Surely they [the Government] need be more focused on working out how we will move forward rather than concentrating on retrospectively fighting or challenging a [public] defeat. Didn't Ireland and Greece do something similar and reject their referendum results on recent EU votes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
For anyone that may have doubted that remain MPs would do this.... The questions I have are...?

1) Are they entitled to do this?

2) If they did it would it be legally binding? They are there to represent the public, if and its a big IF the public do vote to leave can they legally go against public wishes?

3) This does smell like there is a bit of panic and contingency planning going on.

They should be more focused on working out how we will move forward rather than concentrating on fighting a retrospective defeat. Didn't Ireland and Greece reject their referendum results on recent EU votes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
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Only my opinions;

1) yes, they are, but it'd be at the sacrifice of their seat at the next by-election if they were found to vote against the opinions of their constituency and acting on their own opinion.

2) I don't know of any law against it. All we can do as citizens is make complaints about that particular MP and hope the party members suspend them or they step down and we can have another by-election for that area.

3) Oh absolutely! They've realised the 'little people' won't be bought off with free mobile phone charges and cheaper European holidays, nor scared with financial ruin and global thermonuclear war.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
For anyone that may have doubted that remain MPs would do this, see the link below

The questions I have are...?

1) Are they entitled to do this?

2) If they did it would it be legally binding? They are there to represent the public, nothing more nothing less, if and its a big IF the public do vote to leave can they legally go against public wishes?

This does smell like there is a bit of panic and contingency planning going on. I would be particularly interested in the views of the BM Remainers about this, notably about, why do you think they're taking thus stance and quite simply, is it fair and democratic?

Surely they [the Government] need be more focused on working out how we will move forward rather than concentrating on retrospectively fighting or challenging a [public] defeat. Didn't Ireland and Greece do something similar and reject their referendum results on recent EU votes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
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The alternative would be to use external scrutineers from the former Soviet Union, Zimbabwe or from Iraq when Saddam was in charge. They never had problems with election results going the wrong way.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Only my opinions;

1) yes, they are, but it'd be at the sacrifice of their seat at the next by-election if they were found to vote against the opinions of their constituency and acting on their own opinion.

2) I don't know of any law against it. All we can do as citizens is make complaints about that particular MP and hope the party members suspend them or they step down and we can have another by-election for that area.

3) Oh absolutely! They've realised the 'little people' won't be bought off with free mobile phone charges and cheaper European holidays, nor scared with financial ruin and global thermonuclear war.
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lol. I tripped over 80 million Turkish gangsters when I left my house this morning!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
For anyone that may have doubted that remain MPs would do this, see the link below

The questions I have are...?

1) Are they entitled to do this?

2) If they did it would it be legally binding? They are there to represent the public, nothing more nothing less, if and its a big IF the public do vote to leave can they legally go against public wishes?

This does smell like there is a bit of panic and contingency planning going on. I would be particularly interested in the views of the BM Remainers about this, notably about, why do you think they're taking thus stance and quite simply, is it fair and democratic?

Surely they [the Government] need be more focused on working out how we will move forward rather than concentrating on retrospectively fighting or challenging a [public] defeat. Didn't Ireland and Greece do something similar and reject their referendum results on recent EU votes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
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In that article it mentions that the Conservative party in the event of Brexit would seek an early general election in order to obtain a mandate for continuing with open borders and all the rest of it. I don't know why they need a majority as the europhiles already have one. Somebody is losing the plot. But yes an early general election would be most welcome. The Tories and Labour would lose out to UKIP who would then use their clout to negotiate deals that would protect our borders. If Brexit win and the present lot try this trick then there is a seismic change about to happen in British politics through the ballot box. It's the only voice we have.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Come on Tim, even you cannot condone such an action.

It calls into account why are we having a referendum at all if the Government are only going to overturn it if the result goes against them!
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Why would the EU break a habit of a lifetime?
 
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