EU referendum

[The perfect fumble]

So fears of Brexit is already driving investment from the UK to mainland Europe?

Good post but I am not too sure about the British Army vehicle example!

It also shows up our lack of a long term plan as a Country on manufacturing!

Oh, it is official, I kid you not, I work with BIS (the old DTI). The head of our organisation began this years little pep talk with "This government has no industrial strategy" no left wing fire brand he, he's a true blue Tory, chairman of his golf club etc. Strategy is a socialist word, for these neoliberal nutjobs it is an anathema.

 

[Pino]

May be this is why Corbyn has been so 'quiet'
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/left-case-brexit

The central fact about the EU, which the British governing class has never really got its head around, is that it creates a written constitution and ancillary juridical structures that are extremely hard to alter. Neither British politicians nor the British electorate are used to this, since Britain has never had such a thing, and they are treating the referendum as if it were a general election campaign, with short-term victories that could be reversed in a few years, rather than something with the long-term implications of the votes in 1788 on the American constitution.

 

[BigJoe#1]

another scare tactic? If the guy that pays their wages thinks its a bad idea and thinks it could affect jobs.....he's every right to tell them what he feels is best for the country....Just because we dont want or like to hear it doesnt mean its not true...I'm not an economic advisor for BT but clearly they feel the experts might know more than you or I on the subject of whats best for the company..

The question is how? How will it affect 81000 jobs? Do BT intend to shut down on 24th... Like I say scare tactics, people are becoming desensitised and fed up of them.

It's not I don't want to hear it's more that I would prefer more substantive evidence. I'll bet you there will be no more jobs cut if we stay or we leave. Does he guarantee there will be no job losses if we remain?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Cameron knows the game is up, hence the slightly veiled threat to abuse our pensions if we vote to leave, which we will... To top it all they now wheel Gordon Brown out to spew forth his two penneth..... :-) could they have wheeled anyone worse out, now Blair has chipped in...!

The bottom line is that we will be voting to leave shortly, 100% nailed on... I for one am chuffed to fuck about it as we will be far better off than we are with the euro albatross wrapped around our necks... Happy days ahead...!

I wouldn't be so sure. Those pushing for change tend to shout the loudest, but when it comes to the crunch the status quo usually wins out in scenarios like this.

No doubt the 'Remain' campaign has been a shambles, but I'd still be surprised to see them lose.

 

[The perfect fumble]

...in your opinion.

 

[wahablue]

In the next few years Turkey and 4/5 others will join the EU.Could the Remainers tell me will these countries in financial terms be putting money in the EU kitty or will they be living off the few who put more in than get back.Don't mention Cameron and his comments about "not in his life time".He has stated often enough in the past that the sooner they enter, the better.Would you, if these countries are net recievers of money expect our donations to the EU to rise to pay for them.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

The central point to Brexit isn't sovereignty or anything else its the dog whistle politics of immigration. The leave campaign know that this is the key plank for traditional labour and conservative voters who are edging towards Brexit. Sadly its the older generation of little Englanders who always vote are sadly people who I know only to well would be happy to take a step backwards if it ment getting what they want.

I do not believe for 1 minute that a Gove someone who openly admits to wanting to privatise health is all of a sudden at the drop of a sudden hugging trees and wanting to throw boat loads of cash at the NHS. Or that cuddly floppy hared Boris wants to do anything other than take a bonfire to workers rights and cheer lead tax avoiders. As much as I despise Cameron and his Bullingdon chums for wrecking our country letting in this rabid rabble of knuckle dragging right fills me within an even bigger fear.

I agree mate......I've been really surprised by the amount of people I've spoken with that are voting "leave" because of the emotion behind immigration and havent even given the risk to the economy a second thought....hope you dont mind me adding...Boris has also said the average working class person "should pay to use the NHS then maybe we'd appreciate it more".......Brois doesnt run our country but is supporting the "leave" campaign and his comments dont fill me with much confidence that he really wants whats best for the country......

 

[BigJoe#1]

Hi mate......He's already a sir!;) I understand the "just trying to scare" card the leaves try to use every time some info hits the news they dont like.....but I hear no argument from the leaves to prove they are wrong...it almost feels like the leaves now just "deny" everything that they dont have an answer for or doesnt fit with their opinion.... dificult to have an intelligent debate under those terms....

Almost as tedious as the remains continuously spewing out bad news. Anyone would think we will nosedive on the 24th. There are alternative views, but like you say about the Leavers wanting to deny the Remain arguements, the Remains deny the Leave arguements. The first rule of arguing is hear what is being said. Both sides, and myself on occasions, could do with raking this on board or will rapidly become a race to see who can tell the biggest untruths.

 

[Mike D]

This is the arrogance of the remain campaign...you couldn't get more stereotypes into a post if you tried..the smug holier than thou 'I know best' attitude of the remain is what has turned the neutrals to leave

So how you explain the frequent racist out bursts from Farage or the leaflet that I got through my door from leave which had a map of UK and Europe (UK clearly labelled and in red), then Turkey highlighted in red but not labelled and then Iraq and Syria and highlighted in red. Don't preach to me about arrogance because If that isn't outright dog whistle racist "Ooh look the turks are coming in through the back door into EU and look and look who's next door to them? I don't know what is?

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

This is the arrogance of the remain campaign...you couldn't get more stereotypes into a post if you tried..the smug holier than thou 'I know best' attitude of the remain is what has turned the neutrals to leave

Mate......go back over the last 200+ pages....the "holier than thou" out of the "leave" campaign is for everyone to see, its everywhere! They think they know better than everyone else and disregard experts opinion as if they know any better themselves!...The poster made an opinion and as a voter, thats his right to do so..

 

[Dubai Blue]

Brois doesnt run our country but is supporting the "leave" campaign and this doesnt fill me with much confidence that he really wants whats best for the country......

Boris is supporting the Leave campaign simply because it gives him the best opportunity of getting into Number 10. He'd happily support the Remain camp if it was the other way round.

 

[sir baconface]

The Tory Remain want Gordon Brown to be wheeled on to say that staying in the EU will save your pension!

In other news, a fox has been appointed by the Remain campaign to supervise the hen house.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

So how you explain the frequent racist out bursts from Farage or the leaflet that I got through my door from leave which had a map of UK and Europe (UK clearly labelled and in red), then Turkey highlighted in red but not labelled and then Iraq and Syria and highlighted in red. Don't preach to me about arrogance because If that isn't outright dog whistle racist "Ooh look the turks are coming in through the back door into EU and look and look who's next door to them? I don't know what is?

So how do you explain Dennis Skinner voting to leave as he believes the EU will fail..or Socialist Worker backing the leave campaign..you know..that well known racist/far right organisation

That's all the remain argument has been..one big smear campaign whilst cosying up to Cameron..makes me cringe

 

[sir baconface]

The central point to Brexit isn't sovereignty or anything else its the dog whistle politics of immigration. The leave campaign know that this is the key plank for traditional labour and conservative voters who are edging towards Brexit. Sadly its the older generation of little Englanders who always vote are sadly people who I know only to well would be happy to take a step backwards if it ment getting what they want.

I do not believe for 1 minute that a Gove someone who openly admits to wanting to privatise health is all of a sudden at the drop of a sudden hugging trees and wanting to throw boat loads of cash at the NHS. Or that cuddly floppy hared Boris wants to do anything other than take a bonfire to workers rights and cheer lead tax avoiders. As much as I despise Cameron and his Bullingdon chums for wrecking our country letting in this rabid rabble of knuckle dragging right fills me within an even bigger fear.

Next time you post, could you please try to stuff a few more platitudes in? Thank you.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

The question is how? How will it affect 81000 jobs? Do BT intend to shut down on 24th... Like I say scare tactics, people are becoming desensitised and fed up of them.

It's not I don't want to hear it's more that I would prefer more substantive evidence. I'll bet you there will be no more jobs cut if we stay or we leave. Does he guarantee there will be no job losses if we remain?

Hi mate...I guess the only way I can answer your argument is if I see a copy of the letter and know what reasons he is giving for wanting to "stay".....Until then no one can argue if its "scare tactics" or not......

 

[Mike D]

So how do you explain Dennis Skinner voting to leave as he believes the EU will fail..or Socialist Worker backing the leave campaign..you know..that well known racist/far right organisation

That's all the remain argument has been..one big smear campaign whilst cosying up to Cameron..makes me cringe

Dennis Skinner is a back bench Labour MP maverick hardly going to be running the country?
I am looking at the prominent people in this the ones who will be in government Johnson, Gove, Grayling and IDS et al. Then there's Barclay Brothers (torygraph owners) Porn Barron at the Express and Dyson all impartial to a bit of tax avoidance wouldn't want EU slapping the UK down telling it to get its house in order.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Almost as tedious as the remains continuously spewing out bad news. Anyone would think we will nosedive on the 24th. There are alternative views, but like you say about the Leavers wanting to deny the Remain arguements, the Remains deny the Leave arguements. The first rule of arguing is hear what is being said. Both sides, and myself on occasions, could do with raking this on board or will rapidly become a race to see who can tell the biggest untruths.

I agree mate.....good comments!;)

 

[sir baconface]

So how you explain the frequent racist out bursts from Farage or the leaflet that I got through my door from leave which had a map of UK and Europe (UK clearly labelled and in red), then Turkey highlighted in red but not labelled and then Iraq and Syria and highlighted in red. Don't preach to me about arrogance because If that isn't outright dog whistle racist "Ooh look the turks are coming in through the back door into EU and look and look who's next door to them? I don't know what is?

Just when you think even the biggest dullards have realised waving the racist card is counter-productive....along comes another.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Dennis Skinner is a back bench Labour MP maverick hardly going to be running the country?
I am looking at the prominent people in this the ones who will be in government Johnson, Gove, Grayling and IDS et al. Then there's Barclay Brothers (torygraph owners) Porn Barron at the Express and Dyson all impartial to a bit of tax avoidance wouldn't want EU slapping the UK down telling it to get its house in order.

So you'd rather back Cameron & Blair

Dennis Skinner is a back bench Labour MP maverick hardly going to be running the country?
I am looking at the prominent people in this the ones who will be in government Johnson, Gove, Grayling and IDS et al. Then there's Barclay Brothers (torygraph owners) Porn Barron at the Express and Dyson all impartial to a bit of tax avoidance wouldn't want EU slapping the UK down telling it to get its house in order.

Listen...you're the one that started throwing names into the hat...there are tools on both sides of the argument...but unlike the remain...the leave campaign hasn't been about personal smears ala Johnson & Farage...everyone knows they are tools...we are not voting to leave because of personalities that agree with our sentiment...we are backing leave for our own reasons...alot of which has very little to do with Xenophobia...racism or any other right wing rhetoric

The EU is a capitalist private boys club who favour the employer over the employee every time...I want no part of it

 

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