EU referendum

[blueonblue]

Probably not, it read to me more like a wind up,
But there are people with that kind of attitude because the reasonable concerns were stifled rather than addressed, its the people on housing lists who saw the migrants getting houses (Please dont even try to claim that did not happen), the people stuck on shit housing estates with no jobs an no money, the people that have been spoon fed to blame someone else by no less than the f*cking labour party with the years of "Blame the rich", before they abandoned them in favor of currying votes from the middle classes, then along comes the likes of the BNP to tell them it aint there fault but those pesky immigrants.

But its gone a lot further, "Middle England" is reacting by going to the right, not with hatred but the genuine concerns that should have been addressed while labour was opening the floodgates for no other reason than to try and ensure future labour voters ( Its well documented this was their motivation).

 

[EalingBlue2]

Probably not, it read to me more like a wind up,
But there are people with that kind of attitude because the reasonable concerns were stifled rather than addressed, its the people on housing lists who saw the migrants getting houses (Please dont even try to claim that did not happen), the people stuck on shit housing estates with no jobs an no money, the people that have been spoon fed to blame someone else by no less than the f*cking labour party with the years of "Blame the rich", before they abandoned them in favor of currying votes from the middle classes, then along comes the likes of the BNP to tell them it aint there fault but those pesky immigrants.

But its gone a lot further, "Middle England" is reacting by going to the right, not with hatred but the genuine concerns that should have been addressed while labour was opening the floodgates for no other reason than to try and ensure future labour voters ( Its well documented this was their motivation).

Its well documented that vampires and yetis exist , it really depends who documented it , people shift right because blaming others is easier than blaming yourself and punishing others is easier than sharing the pain

 

[blueish swede]

Seems like rules for getting free house are as follows in UK:

Free house
EU national and take your family and make them homeless
EU national And marry African (non EU illegal) who works but can't afford private rental

No free house
British single national
British disabled national
British soldier
British family where father is looking free children

Makes me fucken sick knowing we pay a fortune for these scum to sway in here and steal all the benefits

I wonder what my chances are of getting my entire family housed in Romania, Saudi or any other EU state with funding are!?

Time for the people of Britain to stand up against this evil perverted government and the wicked ways of the EU

Exactly right- UK rules imposed by the UK Government as voted for by the British people. Try coming to Sweden (EU memeber) from the UK with your family and get a free house:

1) Children taken in to care because they are homeless.
2) Chlidren shipped back to UK for the UK social services to take care of at the British tax payers expense.
3) You are informed that there are temporary beds available for homeless people on a first come first served basis, at 10 kronor/night for a maximum of 5 nights, if the temperature falls below -7C.
4) You're on your own, try the Sally Army. Hej då!

The same EU rules apply in Sweden and the UK (actually more in Sweden), but the UK chooses, through it's own National Government to house EU nationals at the expense of the UK tax payer.

 

[urban genie]

I am in the remain camp, but god help me if I have to listen to ham face and his mate for another month drone on with negative shite I may just not bother at all, like all campaigns the tories run it's just negative and fear mongering, getting on my tits they are, but then their are positive campaigns going on but the media focus on that shiny faced twat (understandadly though)

 

[cibaman]

Yup - hate, ignorance and propaganda are a horrible mix. Still this kind of opinion is what will swing it for Inners as this is the nasty side of the debate and more likely to cause fear and support than any of the politicians nonsense. We have defeated fascism before and it will never be allowed to win again, whether it is ISIS fascism or the European far right

There are probably a few million voters who agree with many of the arguments for leaving the EU, but can't bring themselves to vote with the Kippers and the barking tory right.

 

[mcfc1632]

It's got to be unanimous. Good luck with that considering Greece and Cyprus both have to vote yes.

They also have to fulfill about 40 criteria for membership, so far they've passed 1. We're not going to see Turkey in the EU for a long time if ever.

Greece and Cyprus will have (are already having) pressure applied and conform when the time comes for the application to be progressed. It will be the same few powers that dictate the direction and these EU leaders want Turkey in for their strategic agenda of developing the EU (united states of Europe). For them Turkey is strategically important and compromises will be made on the conformance of Turkey in achieving criteria.

 

[Zuriblue]

Made the Mail look moderate . Think it was copied from urmston's blog.

I take that back even Urmston stops short of calling foreigners scum and he can spell, he is also positively Jeremy Corbyn in comparison .

Probably got it from Britian Furst.

 

[Zuriblue]

You know, I don't buy this "Project Fear" bollocks that the Brexiteers come out with at all.

In the Scottish referendum, it was entirely legitimate to point out the potential adverse consequences of a decision to separate Scotland from the UK. Entirely legitimate. Sturgeon and Salmond were assuring us that yes, we'd be fine using Sterling, we'd still be a member of the EU without any trouble, and we could still have Brenda as our lovely Old Queen. But taking all that at face value wasn't really good enough for a majority of the Scots electorate, and rightly so. Just because Alex says it'll be ok is no basis at all for such an important decision as to take Scotland out of the U.K. .

It was right in the Scots situation, and it is absolutely right in the EU referendum situation. Again, just because Gove says it'll be okay is no basis at all for people to vote to remove the UK from the EU. A decision of such moment needs far better justification, and demonstrable proof that it is the correct one. So far, that is entirely absent. So called "Project Fear" is entirely and unquestionably justified.

Apart from anything else, the implication that we should merely disregard any concerns or worries about the likely consequences of Brexit and simply grin beatifically as we take a giant leap into the darkness is frankly, highly insulting. Sturgeon and Salmond were arrogant and wrong in suggesting something similar and so are the Brexit crowd.

 

[CTID1988]

There was a good graphic on the news this morning. It costs about £160 million a week to remain in EU, we get around the same back. Wheras we spend almost 2 billion a week on military and 3.5 billion on pensions. So seems fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

 

[BigJoe#1]

There was a good graphic on the news this morning. It costs about £160 million a week to remain in EU, we get around the same back. Wheras we spend almost 2 billion a week on military and 3.5 billion on pensions. So seems fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

£160m a week is approximately our net cash contribution (dependant upon sources) after we receive our rebate and investments. In the context you describe it could be called "fuck all" but....

If we put say £7m of that money into the Steel Industry, we'd still have £153m to invest elsewhere plus we'd have employment in an employment black spot, plus we'd gave a reduced benefits bill that the state would have to pay, and that's jyst an example for starters. We'd be able to have the choice do this if we were outside the EU. Being the EU creates barriers that we're not capable of breaching.

Now shall we consider what we should do with the other £153m..... a week? A few new hospitals? More doctors! More Teachers? More schools? More police officers? Just a few suggestions.