Everton - Post match thread.

[homerdog]

We can with this year's new rules, if one of the yellows was for "simulation", diving, play-acting, whatever you want to call it.
But as the FA have already stated they won't be taking action against Calvert-Lewin or Sergio for either of the second yellows as there was contact, no matter how minimal, there doesn't seem much point.

So the new rule isn't worth the paper it's written on!

 

[daztrueblue91]

For me the 3-5-2 with wing backs just doesn't work with the players we've got.

There's very little width in that set-up and almost zero forward movement. Kun, Jesus, Silva and KDB all want the ball at their feet which adds to the slow laboured build up. It's weird because Sane and Sterling both excel with their off the ball/forward runs.

 

[ballbag]

So this 'there was contact' stance from the FA...if someone pats someone on the back and they go down rolling like they've been shot...that won't be looked at as there was some contact? So basically, nothing has changed at all for simulation then?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

For me the 3-5-2 with wing backs just doesn't work with the players we've got.

There's very little width in that set-up and almost zero forward movement. Kun, Jesus, Silva and KDB all want the ball at their feet which adds to the slow laboured build up. It's weird because Sane and Sterling both excel with their off the ball/forward runs.

Agree with this so far. We need to see if it works with Mendy though. He is brilliant at getting up and down and could make a huge difference. I am also not convinced with Jesus and Sergio together. I think all our best football in recent years has been with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 when we swarm all over people in midfield..creating loads of chances.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Agree with this so far. We need to see if it works with Mendy though. He is brilliant at getting up and down and could make a huge difference. I am also not convinced with Jesus and Sergio together. I think all our best football in recent years has been with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 when we swarm all over people in midfield..creating loads of chances.

But what's the point in having full backs who can bomb on when they'll be hardly anyone in support?

We'd be awesome with Mendy and Walker bombing on with Sterling and Sane being able to support in the box.

 

[Blue_Monday]

10/10 for effort. 5/10 for execution.

Harsh, we turned them inside out with 10 men. Our play was mostly excellent.... Just the putting it in the net was the (MASSIVE) issue.

 

[Father Paul]

I just think that Sergio isn't the player he was. He tried to be too clever in that moment and thought he could feint and allow the covering defenders to go to ground.

We don't need 30 goals a season from Sergio, that won't win us the title this year.

What we need is five players all between 10 and 15 goals.

Not sure about that I think we need someone who gets the Golden Boot if we are to be title winners. I agree that the supporting cast need to chip in a bit more.
Having reflected long and hard on last nights performance I have come to the conclusion that we are likely to come up short again in the big games this year. Still time
to do business and get one or two in and they will be needed.

 

[OB1]

Ridiculous notion that Sane can't play as a wingback, because he made a couple of mistakes defensively or didn't have a spectacular game going forward.

If a couple of mistakes means you are not able to play the position, then we have no strikers, central defenders or goalkeepers at the club & our mids aren't good enough because of their final ball. They all make at least two mistakes every single game.

I guarantee, that every single fault Sane showed, will be replicated on occasion by Mendy, or Danillo. Maybe even in the very next game.

This should absolutely not cause a goal against, nor an inability to score at the other end.

I'm with you on this.

I think a young player with Sane's abundance of natural gifts should be able to adapt to playing wingback to a decent enough standard to fill in there on occasions. If he can't, he's not got the right stuff because he would have to be both awfully dim and cowardly. FFS, I was an extremely limited footballer compared but at his age I could play any position on the park reasonably well relative to the low level at which I played.

 

[OB1]

I though Aguero did a fair bit of good work last night but he has declined as a lethal finisher.

 

[burning blue soul]

Not sure about that I think we need someone who gets the Golden Boot if we are to be title winners. I agree that the supporting cast need to chip in a bit more.
Having reflected long and hard on last nights performance I have come to the conclusion that we are likely to come up short again in the big games this year. Still time
to do business and get one or two in and they will be needed.

i disagree, having goals come from all over is what will win us the title this year. our play into condensed defenses doesnt bring more chances for our forwards. a lot of our best chances now come from the wingers or midfield coming from deep (or wide) positions without being picked up by the defense.
i would be fascinated if pep came out one game with a 4-6-0 formation and really fucked with the opposing managers head :)

 

[willipp]

Not sure the whole 104+ goals is looking likely now.

 

[harvo the blue]

I didn't, I thought he was unlucky to be hauled.

He showed great feet to set up quite a few attacks, but clearly not on wavelength with Kun.

Laughable when Jesus attempted to play him in and Sergio had turned his back.

De Bruyne was much brighter once they switched him deeper, a bit like the second half of the away tie at Monaco.

He's a sunshine player, best in the world when the machine and all its parts are in unison, but his passing his awful when it's not his day.

Not sure of the minute but Silva turned & played 1-2 with someone & he should have passed it left to Jesus who was through on goalbut he fucked him off & fed Aguero in a much harder position.

I said to the guy next to me I wonder how many are confident in the ground that we can get the draw & I said around 90% but I could not believe the space we got from Everton & our movement was so much better & intense we closed them down much faster something we didn't do in the 1st half it's like we need to go a goal down to get everyone up for it inc the fans.

The shape was all wrong I don't think we played Walker in once before he was sent off & Sane was so poor in his own half & the throwing were Sunday League stuff.

It was a draw but did we look so much better when Sterling & Sane ran at them they were clueless which allowed Danilo to get forward the exact thing we didn't do in the 1st 45,

Pass of the night was Ederson to Sterling oh my god awesome the kid is going to be top draw.

5-10 1st half & 10-10 in second can't fault the effort & whoever thinks Otamendi is poor then kiss my arse he was awesome again.

 

[willipp]

i disagree, having goals come from all over is what will win us the title this year. our play into condensed defenses doesnt bring more chances for our forwards. a lot of our best chances now come from the wingers or midfield coming from deep (or wide) positions without being picked up by the defense.
i would be fascinated if pep came out one game with a 4-6-0 formation and really fucked with the opposing managers head :)

Gundogan will haopefully add a threat as he seems the type of player who will chip in with his fair share. However, Silva and KDB have to start adding regular goals to their game otherwise we will continue to struggle. When you look at the quality those two possess, its scandalous they dont score more goals and becoming a major problem for us.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Gundogan will haopefully add a threat as he seems the type of player who will chip in with his fair share. However, Silva and KDB have to start adding regular goals to their game otherwise we will continue to struggle. When you look at the quality those two possess, its scandalous they dont score more goals and becoming a major problem for us.

Both of them were in clear scoring positions at different points in the first half, I mean with clear daylight between themselves and the goal, on about the edge of the box, and chose to lay it off to either Sergio or Jesús, who were in much more difficult positions, with a man up their backside, into the bargain. This constant deferring to our two front men is seriously starting to do my head right in.
Furthermore, Walker saw almost nothing of the ball from our midfielders before his sending off. It kept going out to the other side, to Sane. So I have the midfield at fault for a few things last night.
To which it should be added, in fairness, that about 85% of the intelligent and attractive football came from us last night, and that didn't change when we went a man down, on the contrary, it looked as though they'd gone a man down at times.
Of course, that's no consolation, and the result simply isn't good enough. With the quality that's on that pitch now, and the manager with his reputation, anything less than some serious silverware is failure this season. If Alexis is the man to put that ball into the back of the net, then fuck it, go balls deep for him, put the most pressure we can on Arsenal to sell in these final days of the window. We should - should - be able to do it without him. But as the mafia bosses say near the end of Casino, "Why take a risk?"

 

[kiam06]

Brighton didn't they sat back the entire match
Everton barely got out of their own half and were time wasting inthe second half clinging on for a victory when we were reduced to 10 men.

Brighton have just come up but not having Everton they fancied it on the break all first half. They say back at 1-0 thinking they could defend the lead against us.

The Etihad is no longer a fortress teams fancy getting points that has to change if we are to win anything.

 

[Dax777]

Agree with you again mate. More of a problem may be a bit harsh. From what I've seen I certainly think Sergio has been creating more chances for other players than Gabriel so far this season. Personally, I would prefer both in the team with Jesus on one of the flanks and Sergio up top. We finished last season so well with that. Still, it's the start of the season and far too early to say something does or doesn't work.

I don't know why many advocate this. I guess in an attempt to get both players on the field. Personally, just 1 should start. Sane, Sterling and Silva are all preferable wingers to Jesus or Aguero in my eyes

 

[Chippy_boy]

Harsh, we turned them inside out with 10 men. Our play was mostly excellent.... Just the putting it in the net was the (MASSIVE) issue.

I keep reading this and keep feeling the need to reply.

Everton sat so deep, we had acres of time and space on the ball - even with our 10 men. So we passed it around amongst us quite happily until we got near their box, and then we passed it sideways some more or made the wrong decision and lost the ball, over and over again. Only Silva II and Sterling showed any sort of quality in the areas of the pitch that actually mattered.

How is this "excellent"? Outplaying them with 10 men doesn't in itself mean we were excellent since they weren't even trying to come out. We could have had 7 men and still had more possession than them.

High marks for us for effort, but in terms of actual quality, I thought it was poor from us from beginning to end.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

But what's the point in having full backs who can bomb on when they'll be hardly anyone in support?

We'd be awesome with Mendy and Walker bombing on with Sterling and Sane being able to support in the box.

Agree 100 per cent. Let's hope it doesn't take till Christmas for Pep to realise.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Brighton have just come up but not having Everton they fancied it on the break all first half. They say back at 1-0 thinking they could defend the lead against us.

The Etihad is no longer a fortress teams fancy getting points that has to change if we are to win anything.

I think opposition teams seem to know that with a little bit of 'persuasion' we can be reduced to ten men. Of all the sendings off at The Etihad the only one that seems to activate my memory cells is Kun's v CFC, and then we were stiffed by the big black fellah only getting a yellow and the loathsome Fabregarse escaping what the Laws demand. All the others seem to have been soft 'uns! My memory may be suffering from these blue-tinted specs I'm wearing but we have been shafted with some right arse-end yellows that have mounted into reds.

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

I prefer the flat back four..defense is a problem for us..sign Wesley Hoedt..he's a proper defender and I will sleep easier at night.