Everton Thread - 2023/24

[Koniec]

Before we get reverential about Everton I had a text from a toffee basically saying how can City get away with 115 offences !!!

Ditto. Fuck em.

 

[Bald fraud]

They’ve broken the rules and all I see on social media is outrage and sympathy. Still no proof we have broken the rules and all I see on social media is hatred and vitriol and calls for our club to be destroyed. If Everton were the most successful club of the last decade would they be receiving all this sympathy? Nah would they fuck.

 

[BlueLou82]

They’ve broken the rules and all I see on social media is outrage and sympathy. Still no proof we have broken the rules and all I see on social media is hatred and vitriol and calls for our club to be destroyed. If Everton were the most successful club of the last decade would they be receiving all this sympathy? Nah would they fuck.

We would have got a lesser punishment for going into administration.

Nobody is saying we are squeaky clean. But looking at some of the circumstances that were not classed as mitigating (Gylfi, Covid, War in Ukraine) it could be argued that we were under the threshold anyway.

But we admitted guilt so fair do's. The outrage is the punishment doesnt fit the crime.

 

[KS55]

They’ve broken the rules and all I see on social media is outrage and sympathy. Still no proof we have broken the rules and all I see on social media is hatred and vitriol and calls for our club to be destroyed. If Everton were the most successful club of the last decade would they be receiving all this sympathy? Nah would they fuck.

Quite a bit of the vitriol is organised by the redshirts and their bots, I wager.

 

[BlueLou82]

Quite a bit of the vitriol is organised by the redshirts and their bots, I wager.

Most of what I can see against you is the Utd, RS and Arsenal fans out in force. Utd for obvious reasons but Arsenal and that lot are because they believe you are what stands in their way of winning things.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Chelsea used a method called amortisation which spreads the transfer fee over the length of the contract thus avoiding any repercussions. We were just plain stupid and cheated a system through bad management and allowing people to have control over issues they possibly knew nothing about. I mean whatever the ceiling is surely someone at the club is able to count ffs

As has been pointed out, all clubs amortise players but what Chelsea did was spread that out over 8 years rather than 5. That makes the annual amortisation lower but has potentially negative impacts.

As an example, take a £40m player. Over 5 years that's £8m a year amortisation but only £5m over 8 years. After 4 years though the former will be on the balance sheet at £8m whereas the latter's book value will be £20m. So if you sell that player for £25m, the former will give a profit of £17m whereas the latter will only show a £5m profit.

And the longer contract ties the player in for longer, potentially making them harder to sell, particularly if they're on a high salary.

Chelsea are potentially in the same situation as you, whereas ours is completely different. You gamble on additional spending beyond FFP limits and they seem to have done the same, on the assumption they'll just get a fine if they don't meet FFP. In light of your punishment, they might be quietly crapping themselves now.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Chelsea used a method called amortisation which spreads the transfer fee over the length of the contract thus avoiding any repercussions. We were just plain stupid and cheated a system through bad management and allowing people to have control over issues they possibly knew nothing about. I mean whatever the ceiling is surely someone at the club is able to count ffs

The big picture is that clubs like United have run up debts of £800m and that is apparently fine even though they never make any attempt to reduce it while Everton missed the FFP target by just £19.5m over three years and have been punished for trying to improve themselves. The system is entirely corrupt and more clubs are now starting to wake up to it.
It's a shame so many other fans are tribal and believe the total shite that has been written about City in the past decade. Even some people in your fanbase are saying: "What about City." They have been manipulated by the media. The question they should be asking is: "What about Richard Masters and his close relationship with the Directors at LFC and MUFC."

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

The big picture is that clubs like United have run up debts of £800m and that is apparently fine even though they never make any attempt to reduce it while Everton missed the FFP target by just £19.5m over three years and have been punished for trying to improve themselves. The system is entirely corrupt and more clubs are now starting to wake up to it.
It's a shame so many other fans are tribal and believe the total shite that has been written about City in the past decade. Even some people in your fanbase are saying: "What about City." They have been manipulated by the media. The question they should be asking is: "What about Richard Masters and his close relationship with the Directors at LFC and MUFC."

Nothing to see here, move along the bus

 

[Bluewonder]

Everton being relentlessly sued by clubs that feel aggrieved by their failure to meet FFP requirements would be the end of the club and could a precedence litigation for all sorts of grievances.

To be frank, FFP is a complete and utter shit-showt that could've only been conceived by complete cretins.

 

[Bluemoonadam]

They’ve broken the rules and all I see on social media is outrage and sympathy. Still no proof we have broken the rules and all I see on social media is hatred and vitriol and calls for our club to be destroyed. If Everton were the most successful club of the last decade would they be receiving all this sympathy? Nah would they fuck.

I know what you sympathy towards them and non stop bile towards us, fuck them I Hope they go down now.

 

[Sheriff Fatman]

Everton being relentlessly sued by clubs that feel aggrieved by their failure to meet FFP requirements would be the end of the club and could a precedence litigation for all sorts of grievances.

To be frank, FFP is a complete and utter shit-showt that could've only been conceived by complete cretins.

The first thing any independent regulator should do is look at FFP, see how it's being inconsistently applied, decide what it's purpose really is and whether it is actually legal.

 

[Bald fraud]

We would have got a lesser punishment for going into administration.

Nobody is saying we are squeaky clean. But looking at some of the circumstances that were not classed as mitigating (Gylfi, Covid, War in Ukraine) it could be argued that we were under the threshold anyway.

But we admitted guilt so fair do's. The outrage is the punishment doesnt fit the crime.

All I’ve seen is everyone saying what about city? Well what about united who failed ffp a matter of weeks ago? All brushed under the rug. Like liverpools fake stadium plans. If they’re digging up stuff on us then surely they have to go back those aswell! Stinks to high heaven! Also looks like Liverpool really don’t want you to get that new stadium

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

Everton being relentlessly sued by clubs that feel aggrieved by their failure to meet FFP requirements would be the end of the club and could a precedence litigation for all sorts of grievances.

To be frank, FFP is a complete and utter shit-showt that could've only been conceived by complete cretins.

Everton wanted it and voted for it. They were so anti city back then and ganged up sign the cartel boys. It’s ironic and now it’s going to destroy them. Told you so toffees will just hurt them even more.

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

All I’ve seen is everyone saying what about city? Well what about united who failed ffp a matter of weeks ago? All brushed under the rug. Like liverpools fake stadium plans. If they’re digging up stuff on us then surely they have to go back those aswell! Stinks to high heaven! Also looks like Liverpool really don’t want you to get that new stadium

All we heard was it was minor breaches and not a squeak more

 

[BlueLou82]

So a KC who states how proud he is to have done a lot of work with Leeds is on a panel that found us guilty. Which in turn helps Leeds sue.
Not a conflict of interest at all

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

So a KC who states how proud he is to have done a lot of work with Leeds is on a panel that found us guilty. Which in turn helps Leeds sue.
Not a conflict of interest at all

That must be a conflict surely

 

[Tom Ford]

All I’ve seen is everyone saying what about city? Well what about united who failed ffp a matter of weeks ago? All brushed under the rug. Like liverpools fake stadium plans. If they’re digging up stuff on us then surely they have to go back those aswell! Stinks to high heaven! Also looks like Liverpool really don’t want you to get that new stadium

There were people on here claiming I got it wrong when I said Liverpool and United are still the most relevant Clubs in this country even tho City have been the best for about 10 years. These two are the ones pushing for the likes of City and Chelsea to be relagated or at least stripped of there titles more than any other clubs. The reason for this is simple.. these two would benefit more than any others if that was to happen.
I just don’t think the outcry for punishment would be as strong if it was United or Liverpool being charged and the likes of City.. West Ham.. Everton etc were the ones calling for punishment. It’s because United and Liverpool are the biggest and most relevant clubs in this country wether they win trophies or not and the worldwide power they genarate does play a part.. bit like Madrid when they Wade into Spanish T.V. Rights or domestic policy in the Spanish game.
My own personal opinion is the rise of City and Chelsea is good for the game and generates competition which for a neutral like me is good am all for anything that breaks up the old English dominance of United.. Liverpool and Arsenal.

 

[shackattack]

We messed up, owned up generally and have been punished. But when you read the report and their main points of contention are -
The loan for the new stadium
Value and reluctance to get rid of Sigurdsson
Having a wealthy owner

They initially set the narrative that Everton would be deducted 12 points, which then made the 10 points deduction look lenient. Eventually they'll reduce it by a further few points and a fine.

 

[BlueLou82]

Ian Byrne, Liverpool West Derby MP and Red Shite fan. Fair play to him.

This basically threatens the club, the stadium, jobs if we go into administration etc. EITC. P&S was meant to 'protect clubs' but this could kill us. Good to see him mention the pathetic punishment the Super League wannabees got too.

His motion, in full, read: “That this House condemns the grossly unjust points deduction imposed on Everton Football Club by a Premier League commission, a punishment lacking any legal or equitable foundation or justification for the level of sanction; notes that financial-not-sporting penalties for far more severe breaches have been applied, including the industry-and-community-threatening European Super League; declares that sporting sanctions unfairly punish supporters; notices the improper dismissal of extraordinary mitigating circumstances outlined by Everton; impresses on the House Everton’s investment in North Liverpool, its 2028 Euro Stadium, and the club’s long-standing, commendable commitment to Liverpool’s vulnerable; gravely remarks that these investments are now under threat; that this House contends the Premier League can no longer fairly govern top-flight football without independent scrutiny and legislation; asserts that the commission’s cavalier approach to points deductions necessitates acceleration of the introduction of the Government’s proposed Independent Regulator; urges the Government to immediately establish an Independent Football Regulator that will safeguard the future of the game, enforce compliance with financial regulation, and establish new guardrails for corporate governance, club ownership, fan engagement, and competition regulation; requests the suspension of all proceedings and sanctions made by the commission until the Regulator makes its own determinations; and demands fan ownership and board representation

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

So a KC who states how proud he is to have done a lot of work with Leeds is on a panel that found us guilty. Which in turn helps Leeds sue.
Not a conflict of interest at all

Let me hazard a guess he won’t be trying to extract compensation for his client for free then?