Gabriel Jesus | Joins Arsenal for £45m

[BringBackSwales]

The only good thing if Gabby goes there will be showing those entitled Tarquin Twats the proper way to treat ex players

 

[Deleted member 87819]

If they fail to make the Champions League, I'd be surprised if Arteta lasts another year there.

They have the most obvious replacement for him. Just ask Edu Gaspar. Tite after the World Cup

 

[GunnerGer]

Tottenham has two much easier games left than Arsenal. Let’s see what happens with that fourth spot and if the supposed Jesus interest in Edu Gaspar’s courting remains

I hope its not top 4 dependant, as I can't see us making it now.

Arsenal has reportedly made an offer for 19-year old striker Marquinhos from Brazilian club São Paulo. How many strikers are they looking at?…

We need at least 2. The only striker we'll have come the summer is Balogun, & he's raw & hardly storming his loan spell at Boro. We need the 2nd player to be a lot more experienced than a 19 year old lad from Brazil. I was thinking more along the lines of Tammy Abraham or Calvert-Lewin they'd go for.

Watching Arsenal last night I couldn't help but think that moving there would be a bad move for Jesus. Arteta is trying to imitate Guardiola's style of play, but that can only work when you have really good players, and there is a shortage of those at Arsenal; the addition of Jesus would only be a part of that. If they fail to make the Champions League, I'd be surprised if Arteta lasts another year there.

I'd prefer Jesus to stay with us, but if he is intent on leaving, I think he'd be better going to Italy (Juventus).

That's why he's trying to sign more good players in the summer. Remember White, Tierney & Partey were out last night, & the depth options are poor. The likes of Jesus, Tielemans & Hickey have been targeted, Saliba coming back from loan, and hopefully 1 or 2 more, and you are talking about changing out 6 players from that team last night.

 

[Gabriel]

They have the most obvious replacement for him. Just ask Edu Gaspar. Tite after the World Cup

If Arteta fails, and in terms of his style of football I'd prefer him not to, then I think Arsenal will need someone just a little more pragmatic, say Potter or Rogers.

 

[Gabriel]

That's why he's trying to sign more good players in the summer. Remember White, Tierney & Partey were out last night, & the depth options are poor. The likes of Jesus, Tielemans & Hickey have been targeted, Saliba coming back from loan, and hopefully 1 or 2 more, and you are talking about changing out 6 players from that team last night.

I just fear that none of the three players you mention will make a significant difference over the course of a season unless Arteta becomes more pragmatic. Jesus is the best of the three, Hickey is unproven in that league, and there's something just a little bit off about Tielemans. Needs more steel and a little less silk, in my humble.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

If Arteta fails, and in terms of his style of football I'd prefer him not to, then I think Arsenal will need someone just a little more pragmatic, say Potter or Rogers.

Tite is more pragmatic than those two

 

[Gabriel]

Tite is more pragmatic than those two

Has he managed outside of South America? Does he speak English? I'm not disputing his ability, just pointing out that Arsenal may go down the route of someone who knows the league and English culture if Arteta fails. If Arsenal make a flurry of Portuguese-speaking signings this summer, however, then who knows?...

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Has he managed outside of South America? Does he speak English? I'm not disputing his ability, just pointing out that Arsenal may go down the route of someone who knows the league and English culture if Arteta fails. If Arsenal make a flurry of Portuguese-speaking signings this summer, however, then who knows?...

He has managed two clubs in the UAE and does speak fluent English. Everyone in Brazil talks about it because of the connection with Edu Gaspar, they’ve worked closely together more than once before and are still close. Of course, that’s all dependent on Arteta being sacked and the timing regarding the WC. But he will manage an European team after the WC, it’s his ambition. He was linked with Real Madrid before the 2018 WC

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Do we have a thin squad; yes or no ?

We need a left back. Perhaps we should ask Arsenal about Tierney.

 

[GunnerGer]

I just fear that none of the three players you mention will make a significant difference over the course of a season unless Arteta becomes more pragmatic. Jesus is the best of the three, Hickey is unproven in that league, and there's something just a little bit off about Tielemans. Needs more steel and a little less silk, in my humble.

I agree. That's why with my 1 or 2 more I talk about, I'd go for someone like Tammy Abraham as the 2nd forward option to provide a bit more physicality & athleticism up front, & someone else in midfield, if not a Bissouma type then someone like the young lad Danilo Gus has recently mentioned, we've been linked to him before.

 

[balotellishaircut]

We need a left back. Perhaps we should ask Arsenal about Tierney.

They’d want about £60m for him so it’s a no go I’m afraid

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

They’d want about £60m for him so it’s a no go I’m afraid

We still need a left back though. It is still the weak spot

 

[Gabriel]

I agree. That's why with my 1 or 2 more I talk about, I'd go for someone like Tammy Abraham as the 2nd forward option to provide a bit more physicality & athleticism up front, & someone else in midfield, if not a Bissouma type then someone like the young lad Danilo Gus has recently mentioned, we've been linked to him before.

I watch quite a bit of Italian football and while I like Abraham, I just see him as below the level you need. He's better suited to the style Roma or Spurs play and not pressing in packs. I just think you need a bit more experience in the middle of the park (e.g. someone like Kroos?) and players who are not going to panic when pressed. Even before the sending-off last night, Spurs knew that once the backline was pressed, they'd panic and go long. That's what Guardiola used to mean by the players being brave and trusting in the system. Jesus would help with the forward press, but Arteta might be better shopping in Spain to get players for the back and midfield.

 

[balotellishaircut]

We still need a left back though. It is still the weak spot

Yeah I agree, but City may think we have to replace Fern and that’s more important, it wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t buy a left back

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Do we have a thin squad; yes or no ?

Signing Luke Shaw would be the obvious remedy

 

[GunnerGer]

I watch quite a bit of Italian football and while I like Abraham, I just see him as below the level you need. He's better suited to the style Roma or Spurs play and not pressing in packs. I just think you need a bit more experience in the middle of the park (e.g. someone like Kroos?) and players who are not going to panic when pressed. Even before the sending-off last night, Spurs knew that once the backline was pressed, they'd panic and go long. That's what Guardiola used to mean by the players being brave and trusting in the system. Jesus would help with the forward press, but Arteta might be better shopping in Spain to get players for the back and midfield.

You might be right. Also bear in mind however, that our most press resistant midfielder Partey wasn't playing, and guys like White or Saliba who are known as good ball playing defenders weren't & guys like Holding & Cedric were.

Admittedly though, our depth behind these players are causing us issues, because when they are out, its a bit chaotic. Like you say, trying to play a sort of Pep style of football with a team than consists of Cedric, Holding, Elneny, Xhaka & Nketiah is like trying to pull teeth at times.

 

[Gabriel]

You might be right. Also bear in mind however, that our most press resistant midfielder Partey wasn't playing, and guys like White or Saliba who are known as good ball playing defenders weren't & guys like Holding & Cedric were.

Admittedly though, our depth behind these players are causing us issues, because when they are out, its a bit chaotic. Like you say, trying to play a sort of Pep style of football with a team than consists of Cedric, Holding, Elneny, Xhaka & Nketiah is like trying to pull teeth at times.

I think that’s why Arteta is going to have to temper his expectations, especially if Spurs leapfrog you. It’s just not realistic to ask players to play that way when they don’t have the technical ability. Fine when they’re all fit and playing, but the moment you have second-level players in, then there is a weakness in the system, and the opposition can exploit it by making you play to that/those person(s). It then becomes increasingly chaotic and players start getting caught out of position and make stupid challenges. How much time will you give him?

 

[GunnerGer]

I think that’s why Arteta is going to have to temper his expectations, especially if Spurs leapfrog you. It’s just not realistic to ask players to play that way when they don’t have the technical ability. Fine when they’re all fit and playing, but the moment you have second-level players in, then there is a weakness in the system, and the opposition can exploit it by making you play to that/those person(s). It then becomes increasingly chaotic and players start getting caught out of position and make stupid challenges. How much time will you give him?

I think it's about tempering expectations and realising the challenge he took on.

Hes just been given a new 3 year contract so the club & board are happy with him and to give his project time.

I think the clubs expectations this season was to trim the squad right back & to get European football, so technically he's achieved that. The disappointment would come after being in such a strong position for top 4, and failing at the last hurdle.

My target was to get to 70 points to show improvement over last season (I thought the top 4 was sewn up at the start of the season if I'm honest) and just see where that takes us. We are a win & a draw away from that.

I don't mind giving him time as long as we see continual improvement. Only yourselves & Liverpool have won more games than Arsenal this season, but we've lost more games than Utd now.

Perhaps this is where we need to learn to be more pragmatic like you say. Turn half of those defeats into draws and your are talking about having mid 70's points this season.

Sorry, feel like I've hijacked the Jesus thread into the Arsenal thread.

 

[Gabriel]

I think it's about tempering expectations and realising the challenge he took on.

Hes just been given a new 3 year contract so the club & board are happy with him and to give his project time.

I think the clubs expectations this season was to trim the squad right back & to get European football, so technically he's achieved that. The disappointment would come after being in such a strong position for top 4, and failing at the last hurdle.

My target was to get to 70 points to show improvement over last season (I thought the top 4 was sewn up at the start of the season if I'm honest) and just see where that takes us. We are a win & a draw away from that.

I don't mind giving him time as long as we see continual improvement. Only yourselves & Liverpool have won more games than Arsenal this season, but we've lost more games than Utd now.

Perhaps this is where we need to learn to be more pragmatic like you say. Turn half of those defeats into draws and your are talking about having mid 70's points this season.

Sorry, feel like I've hijacked the Jesus thread into the Arsenal thread.

I’ll respond there.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yeah I agree, but City may think we have to replace Fern and that’s more important, it wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t buy a left back

We have to do both. We might sell Jesus and Sterling to bring in two big signings at left back and defensive midfield. I don't think we can win the CL till we strengthen the left hand side. Real Madrid showed that. And our left side of defence has been a problem for years. Pep, being a genius, finds a way round it, but we can't wing it against the very best teams.