Game of Thrones (season 8)

City_Sean said:
There's been some right shite in these first two episodes. So far it's been too much of a high school reunion and the story hasn't been pushed forward at all. The writing and pacing is all over the place too.
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I wouldn't call it shite but I agree to a degree. I just took it that they focused on the characters to set themselves up for their impending doom.

Brienne of Tarth for example, her being knighted and visibily moved at her achievement sets her up for death IMO. Sam's reluctance to fight and visible regret sets him up for deciding mid war to go and fight and probably end up dead. They just seem to be manoeuvring things ahead of the war rather than advancing the story. Would expect the next episode to change that. I did say to my mrs they have an awful lot to fill into 4 episodes, including the war for the iron throne once/if the first war is won
 
aguero93:20 said:
Gendry, I reckon the whole sex scene and scenes with Arya are setting him up to die in the crypt next week to fill out her character arc. She's done a lot since King's landing but hasn't failed in a while.
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urban genie said:
Interesting but I think

The survivors are
Jon
Davos
Arya
Sansa
Tormund
Tyrion
Gendry
Sam
Bran
Yara

Those Dying
Beric
Danny
Euron
The mountain
Cersie
Jaimie
Tollet
Greyworn

Could go either way

Jorah, lyanna, Podrick, Brianne, the hound

The show will come full circle and the starks will all survive and find some kind of happiness, which is why I think Gendry won't die, Arya may not stay with him bit won't lose him either
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Could be totally wrong but
I have for a long time thought Gendry would be the ruler at the end game, (now with Arya as his queen?) I think it could be like a Shakespeare play with Jon and Deni dying for love in the last episode. I have imagined Gendry will allow the north to be independent under Sansa. Gendry could be a man of the people with Royal blood?
 
I'm predicting a bout of morning sickness for a certain young lady.

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TCIB said:
The pacing here is not great i must admit. They should have extended episode 1 an extra 20 minutes to get what took all of episode 2 to say, which was not much. that is why so many feel this episode is a bit of a bore, it advances nothing really. In TV and film every single scene should do something to help the plot in either storyline or character development. Books can get away with meandering off on a tangent but film and tv can't really, it has to be laser focused.

I get it, the last gathering of people who are likely going to die next week. The pacing taking the whole episode though dragged on to be honest.
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Much prefer the boring episodes to the CGI battles.
 
City_Sean said:
There's been some right shite in these first two episodes. So far it's been too much of a high school reunion and the story hasn't been pushed forward at all. The writing and pacing is all over the place too.
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They need to re unite people and the anticipation of the war has been portrayed beautifully.

I don't understand why people are complaining about it.
 
lMO, my guess of the survivors would be:
Podrick
Sansa
Tyrion
Gendry
Sam
Yara
Lyanna Mormont
Davos
Arya (possibly to kill the night king after he gets to Bran as he morphs into the body of the night king)
Bron ( he will choose not to kill his friends Jamie and Tyrion for Cersei, he could die?)

Those likely to Die:
Bran, (IMO he will have entered into the mind of the Night king to in effect travel back in time and stop the white walkers before he dies, hence why he is so accepting of Jamie pushing him out the window and why Sam is spared by the white walkers, how he knows what is going to happen etc. He's completing a circle like with hordor.)
Jon
Theon
Beric
Danny
Euron
The mountain (he will have a duel with the hound and kill each other)
Cersie (she will be killed by Jamie?)
Jaimie
Greyworm
Brianne
Tormund
The hound
Jorah

I think Sansa will be queen of an independent north, assuming Jon/Danni both dies then Gendry to be ruler but maybe destroying the iron throne itself as a gesture of a new start?
Tyrion to be an advisor.
 
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BenHest said:
They need to re unite people and the anticipation of the war has been portrayed beautifully.

I don't understand why people are complaining about it.
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I really enjoyed that last episode, the scene with Brianne being knighted by Jamie made my eye water. You know many of these characters are going to die soon. It's been a slow start in terms of action and story development, but I love the characters, we have been on a long journey with them, and I have relished the sentimental aspects of giving them a chance to contemplate their likely fate together. I am sure next episode will be a complete contrast.
 
Plain Speaking said:
I really enjoyed that last episode, the scene with Brianne being knighted by Jamie made my eye water. You know many of these characters are going to die soon. It's been a slow start in terms of action and story development, but I love the characters, we have been on a long journey with them, and I have relished the sentimental aspects of giving them a chance to contemplate their likely fate together. I am sure next episode will be a complete contrast.
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We've had 60 hours of television getting to know them. Wanting them tossed aside in a few seconds seems really weird to me. Endless battles are bloody boring too.
 
bluejon said:
I posted about it last week, so apologies if you've read it, but I'm convinced the symbols the white walkers leave have something to do with the Targaryen sigil. They're not just random, they're some kind of message, and when the arms at the Umber's all went up in flames, I was bouncing off the sofa as it not only had a similar shape, it was on fire. We'll see. As I said, nice to have a horse in the race, if it falls, so be it (and I suspect a shit load of people are going to be falling next week).
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The Spiral was the symbol of the Children of the Forrest - way before the Tygereons arrived in Westeros. I await to see if the Winterfell Wierwood tree was the one where the Night King was created. Also is he actually a Stark?
 
Plain Speaking said:
lMO, my guess of the survivors would be:
Podrick
Sansa
Tyrion
Gendry
Sam
Yara
Lyanna Mormont
Davos
Arya (possibly to kill the night king after he gets to Bran as he morphs into the body of the night king)
Bron ( he will choose not to kill his friends Jamie and Tyrion for Cersei, he could die?)

Those likely to Die:
Bran, (IMO he will have entered into the mind of the Night king to in effect travel back in time and stop the white walkers before he dies, hence why he is so accepting of Jamie pushing him out the window and why Sam is spared by the white walkers, how he knows what is going to happen etc. He's completing a circle like with hordor.)
Jon
Theon
Beric
Danny
Euron
The mountain (he will have a duel with the hound and kill each other)
Cersie (she will be killed by Jamie?)
Jaimie
Greyworm
Brianne
Tormund
The hound
Jorah

I think Sansa will be queen of an independent north, assuming Jon/Danni both dies then Gendry to be ruler but maybe destroying the iron throne itself as a gesture of a new start?
Tyrion to be an advisor.
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I think Theon, Beric, Jorah, Brienne & Greyworm all had their deaths set up pretty definitively last night.
 
I understand why people didn't enjoy it, but for me it was a really sentimental way to set up what is to come. Never have we seen so many of the main characters all together just sat around talking, interacting with the impending doom hanging over them. What i think was a bit weak (if it does pan out that way) was how it gave almost happy endings to certain characters who will probably go on and die in the war. For me thats not what GOT is about and never has been.
 
I wasn't a fan of Season 7 as it all felt a bit Marvel; 'favourite' characters surviving when they should be dying (at least Bronn or Jaimie should have perished in that battle) or being put together purely for fan service (that sparring scene between Ayra and Brienne), and everything moving at a ridiculous pace. It seemed more like a GoT fan fiction.

In earlier seasons, travel and downtime were the most important parts. That was were plots were hatched and characters developed. Therefore I think the slow pace of the first two episodes of season 8 has been welcome; it's allowing characters to interact properly and for future twists and plot developments to be set up rather than sprung upon us all deus ex machina (e.g. the plot to do Littlefinger in, which was shoddily written).

As for predictions:
- The Night King will raise all the corpses in the crypts, and that's how a lot of the characters will die
- The next episode will see the NK defeated, and then things will move south as a final battle between this Northern alliance and Cersei
 
willipp said:
I understand why people didn't enjoy it, but for me it was a really sentimental way to set up what is to come. Never have we seen so many of the main characters all together just sat around talking, interacting with the impending doom hanging over them. What i think was a bit weak (if it does pan out that way) was how it gave almost happy endings to certain characters who will probably go on and die in the war. For me thats not what GOT is about and never has been.
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Yep. It was, as Gandalf would say, "the deep breath before the plunge".

I've had the general outline of this season pretty much mapped in my head for so long now that I actually started to get a little blase about it. "Yeah, some second-tier characters are gonna die in the battle for Winterfell, and then we'll get down to it", I've been thinking to myself, but this episode really caught me off guard and reminded me just how much of a connection I've made with those second-tier characters... just as they're about to be taken away from me. As the episode wore on I realised that I'm actually not ready to say goodbye to Grey Worm, or Theon, or Jorah, or Brienne, or Davos, or Tormund, or Sam, or Lyanna Mormont, or Edd, or even Winterfell itself, and by extension I'm not ready to say goodbye to the show either. These characters being wiped out en masse is a reminder that I'm four weeks away from there being no more Game of Thrones. When Sam mentions Green and Pyp I start welling up, and then when Podrick starts up with 'Jenny of Oldstones' I have to fight with everything I have not to cry. Watching those characters brace themselves for imminent death, knowing that they'll be just three episodes from leaving my life even if they survive, it all got a bit too much.
 
7evens said:
Have watched the episode three times now and it's comfortably in my top fifteen of Game of Thrones' entire run.
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I agree,in fact i'd rate it higher.It all felt a bit forced last season in terms of plot progression and character development,but it appears the writers have now got to grips with the dialogue and the mood,and it's all the better for such.
 
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