Garcia

[Thenumber1blue]

That's why the Spain national team rate him.

So is it they who are wrong? The 3 time winners IN A ROW of international competition . Or some city fans with nothing better to do with their lives than come on a Internet forum related to Manchester city and slag off one of its own players.

I really wonder about this hmmm? : /

Only after a defeat though !

 

[ell]

That's why the Spain national team rate him.

So is it they who are wrong? The 3 time winners IN A ROW of international competition . Or some city fans with nothing better to do with their lives than come on a Internet forum related to Manchester city and slag off one of its own players.

I really wonder about this hmmm? : /

They call Torres up about as often does that mean he's a great player for Chelsea?

I have loads better to do but occasionally i like to discuss the merits or lack thereof of the players the team i support and have an emotional investment in with other like minded people is my right. If everyone just sat around praising everything and never disputing anythings faults the world would be a worthless place to live.

Torres bagged over 20 goals for Chelsea last season why wouldnt they call him up? because the media tell you he is shit?

 

[NipHolmes]

That's why the Spain national team rate him.

So is it they who are wrong? The 3 time winners IN A ROW of international competition . Or some city fans with nothing better to do with their lives than come on a Internet forum related to Manchester city and slag off one of its own players.

I really wonder about this hmmm? : /

Lets end this myth.

Spain are graced with great Midfielders and Garcia isn't one of them. He is however an option in CDM or as CB.

They have few options at the back so that's his call up. In CDM he has Alonso, Busquets, Martinez and Illarramendi ahead of him, the latter 3 100% so and they are levels and levels above him.

What the hell has their 3 times of winning trophies as a nation got to do with him? It is down to their best players and subs, Garcia hasn't even caused a ripple in their waters so does not even deserve to be classified as a part of their success or their future success. Del Bosque sees that he plays for a top club and is CB option hence he gets called up, they are light and that is why. If they get a fit Puyol back, Pique in good form, Ramos can play as CB too, maybe Martinez if he plays their for Bayern alot. Then maybe Albiol also a contender. So then Garcia has to be a CDM option, who the hell is getting dropped to fit him in? Alonso, Busquets, Martinez (if played there) or Illarramendi. Have in mind De Marcos, Benat, Thiago or even Xavi could drop deeper. So this glittering national team career looks like it's most likely ending before it's started.


As for the guy who mentioned his high passing completion %. I watch him like a hawk because I am fearful when he plays. It's a short and simple pass. just like Lescott. It's people lik3 Vinny or Yaya that make stuff happen with their passes. Lescott and Garcia are not comfortable so make short passes and limit their responsibility, whether that's a strategy from the coach or lack of confidence I don't know, in Lescott's case it's ability to pass because he is pretty scary on the ball..

 

[LoveCity]

He's a last resort choice for Spain. They started the Atletico duo of Koke and Mario Suarez in the WCQ against Finland so even with no Busquets, Alonso, Martinez, or Illarramendi available due to injury they would not start Garcia in a competitive game. Maybe Garcia will play against Chile since it is a friendly and get his second cap (both would have been friendlies).

There really aren't many good players Garcia is keeping out of the team for this call up... maybe Benat. With Illarramendi's emergence, I'll be surprised if Garcia makes the squad in future barring a chain of injuries like they have now or of course barring a miraculous turnaround in form for City.

 

[BigOscar]

I'm sorry, but if you think Garcia is called up to Spain because he can play CB then you are talking absolute shite. He cannot play CB and noone thinks he can, before he came to City he'd only played CB about 4 times in his career and they were due to every single Benfica CB being out injured and he played alongside a LB. It's like saying Michael Carrick can play CB, because United stick him there when they have no other options.

He is a holding midfielder, in the mold of Busquets or Javi Martinez and is there third choice in that position, hence why he gets called up to the squad if either is unavailable. Xabi Alonso doesn't play there, he is a deep lying playmaker who gets played alongside not Busquets, no istead of him, so why you are bringing him into is beyond me.

I continue to be be amazed how every day this thread gets new posts saying how awful a midfielder he is, even though he hasn't actually played a game in midfield for us in about 6 months. How can you possibly still have fresh abuse to throw at him every day, when he hasn't even done anything?

 

[decmancity]

NipHolmes,
He is a defensive midfielder, his job is to keep the ball and pass it short to those who will do something with it.
De Jong didn't exactly spray the ball around the pitch like Pirlo did he or break from deep and create things like Gerrard.
FFS.

Garcia's job is to hold his position, keep the ball and the possession ticking over. Screen the defence when Kompany breaks and wants to go forward.

He does that job with no fuss, doesn't get booked all the time or chop down players for penalties and freekicks.

As for those saying oh when Puyol comes back or Albiol or when Alonso isn't injured or when Benat is picked he won't be in the team.

Spain have plenty of fit and ready midfielders and defenders. Why isn't Del Bosque picking them?
Yes their key players who would be starting are injured so their are places in the team but still plenty out there that Del Bosque could pick over Garcia.

 

[NQCitizen]

NipHolmes,
He is a defensive midfielder, his job is to keep the ball and pass it short to those who will do something with it.
De Jong didn't exactly spray the ball around the pitch like Pirlo did he or break from deep and create things like Gerrard.
FFS.

Garcia's job is to hold his position, keep the ball and the possession ticking over. Screen the defence when Kompany breaks and wants to go forward.

He does that job with no fuss, doesn't get booked all the time or chop down players for penalties and freekicks.

As for those saying oh when Puyol comes back or Albiol or when Alonso isn't injured or when Benat is picked he won't be in the team.

Spain have plenty of fit and ready midfielders and defenders. Why isn't Del Bosque picking them?
Yes their key players who would be starting are injured so their are places in the team but still plenty out there that Del Bosque could pick over Garcia.

That's how I see it. He does what he's meant to do fairly well and isn't leagues below the likes of Lescott and Richards, Kolarov and prior to last season's form even Zaba.

The manager dictates what he's meant to do and so far ex Inter and Real Madrid managers have seen fit to use him despite Bluemoon's bemusement.

 

[LoveCity]

Are people arguing we pay Garcia £60,000+ per week to make simple passes? Why no talk of his failure to effectively break up play?

Garcia averaged only 1.3 successful tackles per game last season, lower than all of Europe's noteworthy defensive midfielders. In fact he ranked 818th on the list of European footballers and Shaun Wright-Philips won more tackles. De Jong was limited too, but was much better at breaking up play for us and was always on the heels of opposing midfielders, smothering them and restricting their space. If we slotted Garcia in right now to screen the defence, I'm not sure what difference he'd made as players find it easy to just breeze past him.

Garcia has offered very little protection for our defence and I'll never forget a Dortmund player sauntering past him with the most ridiculous amount of ease in our second game against them last season. That's when my faith in Garcia being a top class player died and nothing has happened to restore that faith since. He'd had a couple of decent games but nothing consistent.

If there were takers, I think we would have sold Garcia this summer and gone for someone much better like Matuidi for the role, as he has been in a contract dispute with PSG.

He's now with a coach known to have the Midas touch, so if Pellegrini can't make a good Premier League player out of him, no one will. I hope he does come good because it'd be for the benefit of City, but I'm not seeing what a few of you seem to be.

 

[Citizen_Blue]

PL games that Garcia started last season

P17 W10 D4 L3 F24 A10 GD+14 Points 34 2 points per game 1.42 goals for per game 0.59 goals against per game

PL games Garcia came off the bench

P8 W7 D1 L0 F18 A7 GD+11 Points 22 2.75 points per game 2.25 goals for per game 0.88 goals against per game

Total PL games with Garcia

P25 W17 D5 L3 F42 A17 GD+25 Points 56 2.24 points per game 1.68 goals for per game 0.68 goals against per game

Total PL games without Garcia

P13 W6 D4 L3 F24 A17 GD+7 Points 22 1.70 points per game 1.85 goals for per game 1.31 goals against per game


Make of the above what you will. I am fully aware that stats can be twisted to suit a certain arguement but I have tried to offer these as impartially as possible.

 

[BigOscar]

So we averaged half a point more when he played, conceeding about half as many goals, but scoring marginally less? Any chance of getting one of those for Barry?

 

[Citizen_Blue]

So we averaged half a point more when he played, conceeding about half as many goals, but scoring marginally less? Any chance of getting one of those for Barry?

If I get some time when I get home from work later then yeah.

 

[NipHolmes]

NipHolmes,
He is a defensive midfielder, his job is to keep the ball and pass it short to those who will do something with it.
De Jong didn't exactly spray the ball around the pitch like Pirlo did he or break from deep and create things like Gerrard.
FFS.

Garcia's job is to hold his position, keep the ball and the possession ticking over. Screen the defence when Kompany breaks and wants to go forward.

He does that job with no fuss, doesn't get booked all the time or chop down players for penalties and freekicks.

As for those saying oh when Puyol comes back or Albiol or when Alonso isn't injured or when Benat is picked he won't be in the team.

Spain have plenty of fit and ready midfielders and defenders. Why isn't Del Bosque picking them?
Yes their key players who would be starting are injured so their are places in the team but still plenty out there that Del Bosque could pick over Garcia.

Firstly De Jong was deemed not good enough to start and was a sub, he was sold because he wasn't worth what we were paying him to us and wanted first team football. Why are you arguing De Jong about Garcia, that's a moot point because as I said De Jong didn't start. He's also a better player anyway than Garcia to compound that issue.

Any Spaniard can be a poor CB and get away with it for Spain due to their possession football. Garcias maim attribute for Spain would be set pieces, attacking and defending them. Height is an issue in that side.

Tell me who Garcia is better than in CDM, I can count three or four in front of him in terms of regulars and emerging players.<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:53 pm --<br /><br />

So we averaged half a point more when he played, conceeding about half as many goals, but scoring marginally less? Any chance of getting one of those for Barry?

I love the fact you see him as a deep lying Olay maker, please tell me what great plays he make for City.

He simply looks to intercept and passes to Witsel or Yaya. Fact.

Alonso can spray a ball 50 yards to a players feet. Busquets slots in at the back and carries the balk forward with total comfort, nice passer and presses well. Tell me what Garcia does.

Last season we needed goals. We need players capable of playing a long ball sometimes and Garcia hasn't show he can do this. We won fuck all and lost the league by mid February realistically, I find no positives in this for Garcia. The only credit I give him is an headed goal v Stoke in the league, other than that he does not warrant his high pay it squad place over Barry.

 

[BigOscar]

Learn to read, I said Xabi Alonso is a deep lying playmaker, not javi, who I clearly stated was a holding midfielder in the Busquets mold.

 

[daxman]

NipHolmes,
He is a defensive midfielder, his job is to keep the ball and pass it short to those who will do something with it.
De Jong didn't exactly spray the ball around the pitch like Pirlo did he or break from deep and create things like Gerrard.
FFS.

Garcia's job is to hold his position, keep the ball and the possession ticking over. Screen the defence when Kompany breaks and wants to go forward.

He does that job with no fuss, doesn't get booked all the time or chop down players for penalties and freekicks.

As for those saying oh when Puyol comes back or Albiol or when Alonso isn't injured or when Benat is picked he won't be in the team.

Spain have plenty of fit and ready midfielders and defenders. Why isn't Del Bosque picking them?
Yes their key players who would be starting are injured so their are places in the team but still plenty out there that Del Bosque could pick over Garcia.

Firstly De Jong was deemed not good enough to start and was a sub, he was sold because he wasn't worth what we were paying him to us and wanted first team football. Why are you arguing De Jong about Garcia, that's a moot point because as I said De Jong didn't start. He's also a better player anyway than Garcia to compound that issue.

Any Spaniard can be a poor CB and get away with it for Spain due to their possession football. Garcias maim attribute for Spain would be set pieces, attacking and defending them. Height is an issue in that side.

Tell me who Garcia is better than in CDM, I can count three or four in front of him in terms of regulars and emerging players.

-- Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:53 pm --

So we averaged half a point more when he played, conceeding about half as many goals, but scoring marginally less? Any chance of getting one of those for Barry?

I love the fact you see him as a deep lying Olay maker, please tell me what great plays he make for City.

He simply looks to intercept and passes to Witsel or Yaya. Fact.

Alonso can spray a ball 50 yards to a players feet. Busquets slots in at the back and carries the balk forward with total comfort, nice passer and presses well. Tell me what Garcia does.

Last season we needed goals. We need players capable of playing a long ball sometimes and Garcia hasn't show he can do this. We won fuck all and lost the league by mid February realistically, I find no positives in this for Garcia. The only credit I give him is an headed goal v Stoke in the league, other than that he does not warrant his high pay it squad place over Barry.

I know it was a slip, but why the hell didn't we get this guy? :(

 

[decmancity]

Starting tonight for Spain so let's see how well he plays.

Chile have a very mobile midfield and won't shirk a tackle so let's see how he gets on.

 

[Matt.D]

Starting tonight for Spain so let's see how well he plays.

Chile have a very mobile midfield and won't shirk a tackle so let's see how he gets on.

Won't really give you that much of an indication. Spain will rarely be without the ball. Garcia is pretty poor on the ball for a pro footballer but he's shocking when the opposition have possession, my guess is Chile won't have a lot of it.

 

[BigOscar]

Congratulation to him on his first full cap

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

OMFG HES WON HIS FIRST FULL CAP!!!!!!!!!!!



David Nugent and Michael Ricketts are England internationals ffs.

 

[BigOscar]

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that actually being happy for our players when good things happen to them isn't allowed.

 

[NipHolmes]

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that actually being happy for our players when good things happen to them isn't allowed.

I hope the lad goes and wins MOTM and becomes City's best player.

Wish him nothing but the[youtube][/youtube] best, just like most do. But so far he does not warrant a starting place and isn't of the quality we need to go forward. It really is that simple.

BTW, Busquets runs 10.5km+ per game. Tahts the difference, closing down space, great passer, slots between Pique and Puyol to make a three man CB whilst the fullbacks advance. He is a great player.