General Election - 4th July 2024

[Vic]

Brexit has been an utter economic disaster as anyone sane knew it would be and the Tories absolutely do take responsibility for that - funnily enough they’re very quiet about BrBrexit.

I think you mean they ought to take responsibility, not that they absolutely do.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not much chat about the Yougov poll today, for some reason.

 

[Blue and true]

Did Covid not happen?

And the decade that preceded COVID? Do they get a free pass with those ten years?

 

[Blue and true]

Not saying Starmer is a Tory.

He allowed Sunak to get away with his lies. To get away with it was a combination of agility and Starmer's poor debating. Sunak didn't have to be very nimble to beat him, but number he was as well as a liar.

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[The blue phantom]

I'm not even keen on Labour but you really have to be a special sort of **** to keep defending the Tories, Even bigger **** if they are still getting your vote in 4 weeks.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Ooopsie. Using the exact same (dodgy) methodology the Tories used to come up with the ‘£2000 Labour tax rises’ figure the Tories’ published tax plans comes to……£3000 per household.

 

[Vic]

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

Amateur? It sounds like it was a professional hit job (or at least distraction while the con man tricks people)

 

[kaz7]

Did sunak really bring in saville later on in the debate ?

 

[Zabbasbeard]

I would half-agree that he allowed Sunak to get away with his big lie, however the amateur performance from the mediator prevented him from getting a word in edgeways. Anyhow, I don't think these kind of platforms are a yardstick to establish statesmanlike qualities; it's Jerry Springer for the political circuit. We learnt nothing new, and it won't prove persuasive with polling intentions.

Not sure the mediator was amateur. She knew what she was doing and was very quick to cut Starmer short but less so with Sunak. Starmer was still weak yet again in debating and instead of rebutting it straight away blathered on about the Tories. It shouldn't take 30 minutes to debunk their lie. It was poor even by Starmer's poor debating levels.