General Election - 4th July 2024

Who will you be voting for in the General Election?

  • Labour

    Votes: 266 56.8%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 40 8.5%

  • Reform

    Votes: 71 15.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 28 6.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 51 10.9%
  • Total voters
    468
bluethrunthru said:
Their assault on the young at the expense of doting on pensioners continues - they are determined to get the youth vote out to vote AGAINST them

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The degrees are funded by the person paying for it and brings revenue into the country especially when you have students coming from abroad to study here. Mickey Mouse or not in subject matter it generates money, apprenticeships are funded 95 percent by the tax payer for small to medium sized businesses.If there is a £30 billion black hole in the public finances where is the money coming from to fund these extra apprenticeships they want to happen?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Their assault on the young at the expense of doting on pensioners continues - they are determined to get the youth vote out to vote AGAINST them

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Quite right too.

Poor quality degrees and poor outcomes for the students involved.

The only winners are the Universities involved, effectively funded by the taxpayer as more and more student loans default.

It’s a racket and it should have been sorted out years ago.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
The tories are now using Trump language in press briefings ffs.

“Sleepy Starmer”, Jesus fucking Christ…
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It’s going to get a whole lot dirtier from them until the 4th July. If I were other parties I would like to see billboards highlighting tractor porn, being blackmailed on Tinder, using campaign funds to pay off kidnappers, generally being a bit rapey and grabby grabby. That’s even before we actually get into the complete mess they’ve made of the country since 2010.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The degrees are funded by the person paying for it and brings revenue into the country especially when you have students coming from abroad to study here. Mickey Mouse or not in subject matter it generates money, apprenticeships are funded 95 percent by the tax payer for small to medium sized businesses.If there is a £30 billion black hole in the public finances where is the money coming from to fund these extra apprenticeships they want to happen?
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This is the most obvious question that the fucking useless BBC fails to ask despite supposedly being impartial.

I know there is a lot to do if/when Labour gets in, but Day One Starmer needs to change the BBC Governors.

He needs to get rid of all the ex-Tory communications directors and Tufton Street right-wing think-tank types currently running it and get back to factual accurate unbiased reporting.

They have to stop promoting unelected extremists like Farage and Tice at the expense of democratically elected representatives of the SNP, PC, Lib Dems, Greens, and even the various independents who have more seats in Councils and Parliament than the private limited company that is Reform. Reform is given millions of £'s of free advertising on BBC
 
Brewster's millions said:
Quite right too.

Poor quality degrees and poor outcomes for the students involved.

The only winners are the Universities involved, effectively funded by the taxpayer as more and more student loans default.

It’s a racket and it should have been sorted out years ago.
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who decides what a "Mickey Mouse" degree is? What stops someone who wants to go to Uni rather than do an apprenticeship applying for another course - there is no cap on the numbers of students.

There are no savings to be made this is another distraction "policy" which will be jettisoned post election
 
Eebo said:
This is the most obvious question that the fucking useless BBC fails to ask despite supposedly being impartial.

I know there is a lot to do if/when Labour gets in, but Day One Starmer needs to change the BBC Governors.

He needs to get rid of all the ex-Tory communications directors and Tufton Street right-wing think-tank types currently running it and get back to factual accurate unbiased reporting.

They have to stop promoting unelected extremists like Farage and Tice at the expense of democratically elected representatives of the SNP, PC, Lib Dems, Greens, and even the various independents who have more seats in Councils and Parliament than the private limited company that is Reform. Reform is given millions of £'s of free advertising on BBC
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I agree with the sentiment however would not want a Labour Govt directly meddling in the BBC and its management appointments. Better thing to do would be the Govt to just blank them. Just favour making announcements and giving interviews to ITN, C4News and SKY News and just make BBC News irrelevant.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Quite right too.

Poor quality degrees and poor outcomes for the students involved.

The only winners are the Universities involved, effectively funded by the taxpayer as more and more student loans default.

It’s a racket and it should have been sorted out years ago.
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It’s none of the Govt’s business. Let the market decide and keep your Commie nose out of education.
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s none of the Govt’s business. Let the market decide and keep your Commie nose out of education.
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They’ve got to do something to help fund the financial gap in university funding by reducing the number of foreign students paying far more than the average U.K. student.

This isn’t it though. It’s a nonsense.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It’s going to get a whole lot dirtier from them until the 4th July. If I were other parties I would like to see billboards highlighting tractor porn, being blackmailed on Tinder, using campaign funds to pay off kidnappers, generally being a bit rapey and grabby grabby. That’s even before we actually get into the complete mess they’ve made of the country since 2010.
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This isn't America and 99% of people see this kind of shit for what it is, ridiculous and pathetic, and just makes them look like even more of a laughing stock.

The televised debates are going to be a bloodbath just like every PMQs for the last two years have been.

And I'm exactly the kind of centrist voter the Tories should be targeting, really. Loved Blair, hated Corbyn, quite like Starmer. Thought Cameron had a point with needing to get the debt down but the way he and Osborne implemented it was very poor, and everything since has been a complete clown show.

I actually quite liked Sunak during the pandemic but fuck me he's blown it since.
 
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BobKowalski said:
It’s none of the Govt’s business. Let the market decide and keep your Commie nose out of education.
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That’s an interesting approach.

Remove student loans and let the market decide regarding courses offered and the number of students attending.

The funding the government effectively provides via student loans could instead be offered as grants to students from poorer backgrounds, based on academic ability and the subjects they want to study, such that the brightest students can go to university without accumulating huge debts.

Sounds like a winner to me.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Quite right too.

Poor quality degrees and poor outcomes for the students involved.

The only winners are the Universities involved, effectively funded by the taxpayer as more and more student loans default.

It’s a racket and it should have been sorted out years ago.
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You’re exactly right. Pity the Tories have done fuck all about it, even though they said they’d deal with it a year ago.

Tories, rehashing old pledges that they failed to deliver on, once again.
 
Brewster's millions said:
That’s an interesting approach.

Remove student loans and let the market decide regarding courses offered and the number of students attending.

The funding the government effectively provides via student loans could instead be offered as grants to students from poorer backgrounds, based on academic ability and the subjects they want to study, such that the brightest students can go to university without accumulating huge debts.

Sounds like a winner to me.
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The Govt should not be in the business of dictating what should be studied at University.

I do, however, applaud your journey towards the European model of University funding. You will find being a European Social Democrat much more rewarding than bag carrying for every absurd notion the Tories dream up on a daily basis. I have no idea what the Tory Election strategists are smoking, but it’s some seriously potent shit. Just say ‘no’ and for God’s sake don’t inhale.
 
On a more serious note, these figures are wild. It’s not just the Labour/Con figures but the Greens.

’This morning's YouGov for people under 50 only:

Labour 59%
Greens 12%
Cons 8%
Reform 8%
LD 6%
That's the worst result amongst this age group I've see yet. Equal third with Reform.’ @SamFreedman
 
You'd think they would steer away from the subject of apprenticeships given how badly they failed with their 2015 reform programme and targets. This is the issue with the recent/current government for me, even if they did stumble across a sensible policy you just know that from bean to cup they'd fuck up the implementation. Their track record is one of unremitting incompetence. At least they used to be good at campaigning albeit at the expense of having any governmental skills whatsoever; but now they appear to be shit at absolutely everything. Actually that's not strictly true there's still some decent grifting going on. Given they've managed to cling onto that 'skill', you could be forgiven for thinking they were never really there for the betterment of the country in the first place.
 
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